wettable powders

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Trapperman, I take it you have done the courses you need to do before using and buying pesticides?

 

All this should of been explained and taught and you should of been tested before you got a certificate

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That picture Chalky is making me itch

[Rolfe 2]

I have always used K-Otherine (1% Deltamethrin) formally called Crackdown for most of my crawling insect jobs, this combined with Empire 20 (20% chlorpyrifos) as a crack and crevice treatment (When it was still available) cleared up most infestations pretty quickly. I always mixed just enough insecticide to complete the job and then cleaned the application equipment afterwards. If i use Ficam for crawling insects i use it in powder form only. I get through tubs of the stuff though in a good wasp season.........Here's hoping we have a good one this year.

 

Rolfe.

[Matt 160]

Trapperman, I take it you have done the courses you need to do before using and buying pesticides?

 

All this should of been explained and taught and you should of been tested before you got a certificate

 

Unfortunately, the common pest control courses fail to teach people enough about different formulations and application techniques Ratsnatcher. I've seen technicians who've come straight off an RSPH course, who have no idea what a crack and crevice treatment really involves and have passed their RSPH.

 

The issue of insecticide application training is woefully inadequate in the pest control industry. Personally, I believe that the PA qualifications are far more suitable for this type of work, and the trainers could learn lots from it.

 

For example, very few pest controllers understand the importance of calibration of application equipment - this is fundamental to correct spraying. The vast majority of new pesters just buy a sprayer and do a supplier 'module' to get themselves the products.

 

I'm very fussy about this type of stuff. I use a gloria sprayer with the appropriate pressure regulator fitted depending on the application technique being used. I always calibrate the sprayer before using and measure the square meterage before mixing. After treatment, I religeously clean out the kit before putting it away.

 

Why do I go to all that trouble? Simple. I consider myself a professional, and if there is two things I hate, they are retreats, and equipment failure.

 

The issue of label reading is also a good one. I've used certain products for a long, long time (FicamW, for example). Labels change without notice, and if there is a problem, you need to be able to prove that you've considered all aspects of the label - expectially the 'contra warnings'.

 

The issue of product selection is also very important. Far too many pest controllers stick to the same products day in day out. Good rotation helps prevent tollerance to products, which is better for us all in the long run. There are also formulations which are more suitable for certain insects or surfaces which are often ignored in favour of an 'old favourite'.

 

Rodenticide labels are also changing, and people need to be sure that they are following the letter of the law or else they will find themselves in court explaining to a judge why things have been ignored.

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Yep all very true, its a mis conception thats its easy money for nothing, Pest controllers have to adhere to so many regulations in an ever changing industry, we basically go around doing are profession with a target on our back

and i can see why chalkwarren has had enough of all the restrictions and regulations that comes with the job, not to mention the piles of paperwork that come with it

 

Hope things are good Matt speak soon

[trapperman 474]

Trapperman, I take it you have done the courses you need to do before using and buying pesticides?

 

All this should of been explained and taught and you should of been tested before you got a certificate

 

Unfortunately, the common pest control courses fail to teach people enough about different formulations and application techniques Ratsnatcher. I've seen technicians who've come straight off an RSPH course, who have no idea what a crack and crevice treatment really involves and have passed their RSPH.

 

The issue of insecticide application training is woefully inadequate in the pest control industry. Personally, I believe that the PA qualifications are far more suitable for this type of work, and the trainers could learn lots from it.

 

For example, very few pest controllers understand the importance of calibration of application equipment - this is fundamental to correct spraying. The vast majority of new pesters just buy a sprayer and do a supplier 'module' to get themselves the products.

 

I'm very fussy about this type of stuff. I use a gloria sprayer with the appropriate pressure regulator fitted depending on the application technique being used. I always calibrate the sprayer before using and measure the square meterage before mixing. After treatment, I religeously clean out the kit before putting it away.

 

Why do I go to all that trouble? Simple. I consider myself a professional, and if there is two things I hate, they are retreats, and equipment failure.

 

The issue of label reading is also a good one. I've used certain products for a long, long time (FicamW, for example). Labels change without notice, and if there is a problem, you need to be able to prove that you've considered all aspects of the label - expectially the 'contra warnings'.

 

The issue of product selection is also very important. Far too many pest controllers stick to the same products day in day out. Good rotation helps prevent tollerance to products, which is better for us all in the long run. There are also formulations which are more suitable for certain insects or surfaces which are often ignored in favour of an 'old favourite'.

 

Rodenticide labels are also changing, and people need to be sure that they are following the letter of the law or else they will find themselves in court explaining to a judge why things have been ignored.

yes i have done two basic insect day courses, but as matt said they didnt go into great detail on formulations etc: thats why i had a couple of queries, i am only really going to be doing wasps and ants and maybe cluster flies as i`ve been asked about them by customers

this is to top up my other work which is mainly moles and other ground vermin.

 

if i do decide to go fully into the insect side of it then even tho i did cover the basics of bed bugs, fleas, cockroach etc: i think i would do a much more specific course before proceding.

 

thanks for all the advice guys.

[trappa 518]

If your new to pest control then personally i would avoid ficam, its a strong bugger!

Coopex powder is good!

[trapperman 474]

If your new to pest control then personally i would avoid ficam, its a strong bugger!

Coopex powder is good!

i`m new to insect work, its just finding my feet so to speak.

its just ficam was the most recomended when i did my courses by the other guys so this is what i got, dust and wettable i did get a tub of coopex aswell to try.

[John Keswick 119]

If your new to pest control then personally i would avoid ficam, its a strong bugger!

Coopex powder is good!

Why is that trappa? As long as trapperman is sensible about the use of it and doesnt start throwing the stuff about like snow, then i say go for it. He is mainly going to be doing wasps, just a few puffs of ficam d and then get the hell out of dodge.

Its that same old same old like the rat poison, why not hit them with the most powerfull stuff you can lay your hands on, game over! But oh no, lets take 10 or so days at it and hope for the best. F**king ridiculous if you think about it and the newspapers have been full of stories this winter about how overun we are with rats. Oh really?

F**k it i would use zinc if still had any left...

[trapperman 474]

just a quick change of subject, has anyone used the wasp wand lightweight extendable lance for the dr5 as killgerm have it on offer at the mo if you buy both together, i have brought a dustick already but its my birthday at the end of the month and i might treat myself and have the best of both worlds.

 

is it any good its very light about 1.5 lbs i think

[Matt 160]

just a quick change of subject, has anyone used the wasp wand lightweight extendable lance for the dr5 as killgerm have it on offer at the mo if you buy both together, i have brought a dustick already but its my birthday at the end of the month and i might treat myself and have the best of both worlds.

 

is it any good its very light about 1.5 lbs i think

 

You'd be better off with a DR5 with two or three poles, and an extending lance from Barrettine.

 

The major problem with the wand is that you can only use it fully extended. Keep the Dustick for emergency use - they are hopeless compared with a DR5 IMO.

 

 

As far as using very 'strong' products is concerned, Ficam is not particularly toxic, but the active (Bendiocarb) has a habit of 'moving'. In terms of human safety, it's non-persistant, and will go through your system in 24hours.

 

Even if Zinc Phosphide was still available (it was withdrawn due to lack of funds to put it through BPD rather than safety), you couldn't use it as a 'first choice' product as CoSHH dictates that you should always choose the 'least toxic' product first.

[John Keswick 119]

Even if Zinc Phosphide was still available (it was withdrawn due to lack of funds to put it through BPD rather than safety), you couldn't use it as a 'first choice' product as CoSHH dictates that you should always choose the 'least toxic' product first.

I do realise that Matt, but there are some particularly "tricky" customers around north Hampshire that are all but immune to most baits out there. You simply end up feeding the little feckers.

I have come away from treating rats alltogether now, if the phone rings, there is a fella that i pass them onto

They reckon its supposed to be a nice summer? I dont know HOW "they" know this, becuase usually they cant even get it right on the day!

But heres hoping and praying, "bring out the wasps"

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They reckon its supposed to be a nice summer? I dont know HOW "they" know this, becuase usually they cant even get it right on the day!

 

 

Hi John change your tv over to the other channels weather forecast and it will be pissing down

 

Trapperman................ the setup for the dr5 with extendable lances matt has reccomended is what I use

 

just degrease the poles from new they tend to clog

[John Keswick 119]

This will be an exiting year for trapperman, i take it you havent done any wasp nests yet?

 

I have one tip for you, dont hang about after you have done the deed

 

Run Forest RUN!

[trapperman 474]

cheers