working scars.

[Guest rodsmith]

I've been out with Rod and his black bitch and everything he's saying i can back up,she works the earth really well and bolts her foxes really quickly getting up close and personal without getting too much damage.The ground he works is VERY hard digging thus needing a good bolting dog that don't work the other fella's,we have'nt blanked with this bitch.yet!However there are diferent dogs for different jobs,so long as we all stick togeather to keep our sport going what does it matter.HAPPY HUNTING!!!

 

My take on this thread is that someone with a sub standard dog, who in their heart of hearts knows it is sub standard but cant admit it, is asking other people with equally sub standard dogs to all pretend that they are proper working terriers.

When in reality any terrier that can not be dug to the majority of the time it is entered is not worthy of the name working terrier.

For the hunt terrierman they are the right tool for the job, for everyone else they are half a dog.

 

 

just had a browse through your profile,all thats on there in your posts are comments of you winding people up,another computer mongal!!

[Guest rodsmith]

bad i dont care if you cud see them or you carnt id rather not see them then no bother of lil anties

 

you lost me there pal .you been- .can we have that in english now.

[Guest rodsmith]

a few lads on this site a boltng terrier not a working terrier.they feel a working terrier MUST be dug to.i feel you'd be out numbered on that view.

must a ferret,only be regarded as a worker if it is dug to every time?? given the choice,even if pressured,a rabbit will bolt so does this too mean the ferret stands to one side?? umm,no! some say a terrier must stand to aside to let the fox bolt,any proof on this?? does some terriers not push their fox to an exit?? unless it is a singe straight tubed earth im sure this matter cannot be proven for sure.

[winnie 1]

Let us be serious for a minute, you can not compare a fert to a working terrier can you?

I am not looking for an argument, you offered up something for points of view and I gave you mine.

Now if you did not have permission or were a hunt terrierman then a dog like yours would be a gift, but you do have permission and do have the option to dig to a good terrier.

 

Now your dog is fine for you and that is great, but it is not a true working terrier.

Dont feel bad, not many are but dont pretend that it is either.

Honesty about dogs and thier abilitys, thats all.

[dev 226]

i have to agree with winnie, you can not compare a ferret to a working terrier, i also think that a bolting terrier is not a working terrier, a handy tool for some people yes there is no doubt, but there is something lacking in a dog that wont stay untill dug, therefore the it doesnt deserve the title WORKING TERRIER, but thats just my opinion. like it or not.

[Guest rodsmith]

i have to agree with winnie, you can not compare a ferret to a working terrier, i also think that a bolting terrier is not a working terrier, a handy tool for some people yes there is no doubt, but there is something lacking in a dog that wont stay untill dug, therefore the it doesnt deserve the title WORKING TERRIER, but thats just my opinion. like it or not.

 

 

take it you have a lurcher?? ever jack does it?? if its coursing ang its quarry runs into cover,like bramble,will your dog pull up??

a bolter is a bolter

[Guest rodsmith]

Let us be serious for a minute, you can not compare a fert to a working terrier can you?

I am not looking for an argument, you offered up something for points of view and I gave you mine.

Now if you did not have permission or were a hunt terrierman then a dog like yours would be a gift, but you do have permission and do have the option to dig to a good terrier.

 

Now your dog is fine for you and that is great, but it is not a true working terrier.

Dont feel bad, not many are but dont pretend that it is either.

Honesty about dogs and thier abilitys, thats all.

 

 

hunt terriermen.no mention of gamekeepers,fox control is more of a must to them,its their lively hood to protect,then theres the pest controller.its not just hunt terriermen that NEED working terriers.ive had my digging dogs and done/still do alot of it.some places i have are big deep places,its alot easier to enter a bolter and stand back quiet with a shotgun.for some people its not all about sport,its a must.nearly every earth round here hold grunt,alot of it is open ground(ideal to bolt for a lurcher!)and theres alot of footpaths.you will be shocked how many people on this forum have either been out with me on my estate(S) and/or know the ground i work.

wasnt comparing a terrier to a ferret.what i was trying to say is-if you had 1 ferret that constantly had to be dug to and the other always bolted the rabbits,you would not regard the lata as a worker??

[foxfan 479]

Have to say, that your argument does'nt hold water Rod,

 

If control is paramount, then the determined (hard) dog is even more important, you KNOW nothing is going to be left to ground.

[winnie 1]

So what you are saying is that you have a fox only dog that wont stay?

Hardly a true worker.

Now I am not trying to put you down as this dog obviously is fine for what you want and you work it and enjoy it which is the main thing.

BUT, im my opinion it is not a true working terrier.

 

It is a dog that has its use, but you would hardly call it the real thing now would you.

[goldfinch2007 2,331]

i agree with rod.a bolting terrier is a working terrier.it has done its job,has it not.rod you trust the dog has not left anything behind,dont you.my little russell bitch bolts foxes regular out of drains and i see it as a working terrier but she will stay if needs be.near me are alot of big badger settes i stay well away from so alot of my sport is in pipes and bales.good luck with the bitch rod .

[Guest rodsmith]

Have to say, that your argument does'nt hold water Rod,

 

If control is paramount, then the determined (hard) dog is even more important, you KNOW nothing is going to be left to ground.

 

as i have offered.bring a fox working terrier out.retrace the earths my bitch says is empty or comes away from an earth after bolting how ever many foxes from it.how do you know once you have dug to your terrier,the earth is empty.bare in mind we ARE talking about fox.

it all boils down to trust and/or being able to read your terrier.

[Guest rodsmith]

i agree with rod.a bolting terrier is a working terrier.it has done its job,has it not.rod you trust the dog has not left anything behind,dont you.my little russell bitch bolts foxes regular out of drains and i see it as a working terrier but she will stay if needs be.near me are alot of big badger settes i stay well away from so alot of my sport is in pipes and bales.good luck with the bitch rod .

cheers mate,each to your own i suppose.sure the day may come that she stays but untill then il put up with checking more holes than any digging dog,resulting in more foxes in the bag.

[foxfan 479]

I know a good bolting dog is very useful, when you have a fox in, where angels fear to tread, (the B word) or a very difficult place,

 

but in an honest to goodness fox earth, i know which dog i'd rather use,

 

i like a dig, hey ho.

[dev 226]

i have to agree with winnie, you can not compare a ferret to a working terrier, i also think that a bolting terrier is not a working terrier, a handy tool for some people yes there is no doubt, but there is something lacking in a dog that wont stay untill dug, therefore the it doesnt deserve the title WORKING TERRIER, but thats just my opinion. like it or not.

 

 

take it you have a lurcher?? ever jack does it?? if its coursing ang its quarry runs into cover,like bramble,will your dog pull up??

a bolter is a bolter

i dont have a lurcher. i agree with you tho, a bolter is a bolter, but not a worker look im never going to convince you and your never going to convince me so thats it. at the end of the day ts all about personal opinion. the bitch is obviously very good for your job so thats great, and good luck with her.

[Guest rodsmith]

I know a good bolting dog is very useful, when you have a fox in, where angels fear to tread, (the B word) or a very difficult place,

 

but in an honest to goodness fox earth, i know which dog i'd rather use,

 

i like a dig, hey ho.

 

 

 

im not saying i dont,not had i said through out this thread that i dont like a dig.infact,i love the site of breaking through to a fox BUT with a bolting terrier i can cover more ground and get more foxes than a digging terrier and thats what all keepers want,RESULTS.