top terrierman 90 Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 best of luck with the pup.i have one that i started to work last season his a good fox dog and has had a few nice digs last season.heres a picture of him his a parson russel in my eyes Quote Link to post
takman511 42 Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 my russells dog is half parsons Quote Link to post
awen 29 Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 (edited) not really. a "parson type" maybe leggy, but to be a "parson" they need to be registered and have pedgriee. i have a parson russel he is now 8 i rescued him from a house at 5 weeks old, did some chexking up on him and found out he was bred in birmingham,i was offered 700 pound for him from a breeder(but could not sell him). hes a fantastic ratter/ rabbiter and wondered if anyone could tell me if a russel really was worth that much without pedigree. (my other dog is patterdale x staffi) i am also looking to breed of both my dogs if anyone is interested. Edited May 16, 2009 by awen Quote Link to post
Guest oldskool Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 best of luck with the pup.i have one that i started to work last season his a good fox dog and has had a few nice digs last season.heres a picture of him his a parson russel in my eyes thats a very nice animal TT.... i'm a bit confused on what parson russells and what jack russells are supposed to be and how the clubs came up with the breed standards?? any book i ever picked up always said that the reverend russell considered any white bodied dog that could go to ground would be a terrier for the hunts... he disliked smooth coated white terriers because at the time a smooth coat suggested that there was bull blood in the make up and that would make the dog too hard for what was required in a bolting dog... now a days i see alot of 'parson russells' with smooth coats and carrying papers... it just seems to me that as long as they are leggy they can be labelled with the 'parson' tag?? and the wee short bow legged fellow (that doesnt seem to be as common nowadays) is labelled as a jack russell... when i was a cub the local terrier men considered the short legged russell with a smooth coat was a jack russell and anything with a longer leg was labelled as an 'english' russell because a short bodied and straight legged russell was uncommon here... the thing is, the wee bow legged dog that used to be very common here was always labeled as a jack russell but when in comparison to what the reverend russell considered a terrier for the hunt the only thing they have that relates to his description is a white body, is it not??? so i guess what i'm trying to figure out is that, have the 2 breed standards drifted away from what the reverend russell considered as a foxing terrier??? and how did the short legged and long bodied and sometimes bow legged russell ever become to be called a russell?? on looks would the rev not have considered this bitch over Fish...E's as suitable??? i have no papers with mine Quote Link to post
Panna 68 Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 any book i ever picked up always said that the reverend russell considered any white bodied dog that could go to ground would be a terrier for the hunts... As to my knowledge the Parson was breeding "working Fox terriers". So we talk about square bodied dogs from the beginning. When he died his relatives and other people tryed to sell everything that was white bodied with markings as Parson's own dogs as this way they could sell them for better price. As for Clubs: JRTC of GB uses another standard than the KCs. I would say it is more for working dogs. They actually have what KC people would call as Parsons. The JRTC of GB has several Clubs in many countries all over the world, for example in the USA (JRTCA), in Germany (JRTV), in Japan, in South Africa, etc. KC has "Parson Russell terrier" (the long legged, nearly square bodied). The KC doesn't register the short legged form, claiming it is an Australian type and has nothing to do with the KC PRT. FCI does register both Parson Russell terrier and Jack Russell terrier. Parson for them is from 12" and up (though they do not measure) and Jack Russell is until 12". But it's more the type that is another, the FCI JRT is more looking like a Dachshund and the PRT like a FT. There are 13" FCI JRTs and they win at shows, but there are not really smaller PRTs winning at any show. With AKC I'm not sure. I think it has the Parson (as in other FCI countries) and it has the Russell terrier, or Shortie(?) which I believe refers to the short legged type. There are some Clubs using the name "Parson Jack Russell terrier" as they do not want to be confused with the FCI Jack Russells, nor with the show type Parson Russells. Those Clubs mostly breed accoring to the JRTC of GB standard. Idiot system and you can never know what your mate means when saying "Jack Russell terrier". Parson at least is for sure. Hope it helped, Anna Quote Link to post
jenksi87 3 Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Mother of the mother of these pups was wire-haired jrt or terrier, thats about it i think.. my pup looked like that. there is definately plummer in them mate somewhere along the line. the mother to my pup was a wire haired jack and the father was a plummer. they had a litter of 5. 4 were fawn and white and one was black and white with brown spots above the eye. look a nice litter though mate. all the best with em Quote Link to post
jenksi87 3 Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 my pup looked like that. there is definately plummer in them mate somewhere along the line. the mother to my pup was a wire haired jack and the father was a plummer. they had a litter of 5. 4 were fawn and white and one was black and white with brown spots above the eye. look a nice litter though mate. all the best with em Quote Link to post
Guest ROUGH COATED Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Just bought myself a Parson Russell dog..Picked him out today as he's only 5 weeks old and not ready to go yet. These pups are worker to worker bred and should make cracking workers.. There was no differene in size or anything so i picked out the lad with the nicest markings and my he is nice.. Was reading a topic on Parsons this week in the site before i bought one and seen some cracking looking dogs.. I already know a bit about some of these dogs and there temperament.. Just wanted to hear from lads on here what there OPINIONS about these dogs! Cheers guys! Heres mine,Good fox dog parents worker to worker had some good fox work with this terrier,All the best with the pup! Quote Link to post
sounder79 80 Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Just bought myself a Parson Russell dog..Picked him out today as he's only 5 weeks old and not ready to go yet. These pups are worker to worker bred and should make cracking workers.. There was no differene in size or anything so i picked out the lad with the nicest markings and my he is nice.. Was reading a topic on Parsons this week in the site before i bought one and seen some cracking looking dogs.. I already know a bit about some of these dogs and there temperament.. Just wanted to hear from lads on here what there OPINIONS about these dogs! Cheers guys! Heres mine,Good fox dog parents worker to worker had some good fox work with this terrier,All the best with the pup! fine dog bud i like the black and white colouring in a terrier Quote Link to post
Guest ROUGH COATED Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Just bought myself a Parson Russell dog..Picked him out today as he's only 5 weeks old and not ready to go yet. These pups are worker to worker bred and should make cracking workers.. There was no differene in size or anything so i picked out the lad with the nicest markings and my he is nice.. Was reading a topic on Parsons this week in the site before i bought one and seen some cracking looking dogs.. I already know a bit about some of these dogs and there temperament.. Just wanted to hear from lads on here what there OPINIONS about these dogs! Cheers guys! Heres mine,Good fox dog parents worker to worker had some good fox work with this terrier,All the best with the pup! fine dog bud i like the black and white colouring in a terrier CHEERS Quote Link to post
awen 29 Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 best of luck with the pup.i have one that i started to work last season his a good fox dog and has had a few nice digs last season.heres a picture of him his a parson russel in my eyes thats a very nice animal TT.... i'm a bit confused on what parson russells and what jack russells are supposed to be and how the clubs came up with the breed standards?? any book i ever picked up always said that the reverend russell considered any white bodied dog that could go to ground would be a terrier for the hunts... he disliked smooth coated white terriers because at the time a smooth coat suggested that there was bull blood in the make up and that would make the dog too hard for what was required in a bolting dog... now a days i see alot of 'parson russells' with smooth coats and carrying papers... it just seems to me that as long as they are leggy they can be labelled with the 'parson' tag?? and the wee short bow legged fellow (that doesnt seem to be as common nowadays) is labelled as a jack russell... when i was a cub the local terrier men considered the short legged russell with a smooth coat was a jack russell and anything with a longer leg was labelled as an 'english' russell because a short bodied and straight legged russell was uncommon here... the thing is, the wee bow legged dog that used to be very common here was always labeled as a jack russell but when in comparison to what the reverend russell considered a terrier for the hunt the only thing they have that relates to his description is a white body, is it not??? so i guess what i'm trying to figure out is that, have the 2 breed standards drifted away from what the reverend russell considered as a foxing terrier??? and how did the short legged and long bodied and sometimes bow legged russell ever become to be called a russell?? on looks would the rev not have considered this bitch over Fish...E's as suitable??? i have no papers with mine fantastic bitch would you consider breeding with my parson it too has no papers Quote Link to post
awen 29 Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 (edited) best of luck with the pup.i have one that i started to work last season his a good fox dog and has had a few nice digs last season.heres a picture of him his a parson russel in my eyes thats a very nice animal TT.... i'm a bit confused on what parson russells and what jack russells are supposed to be and how the clubs came up with the breed standards?? any book i ever picked up always said that the reverend russell considered any white bodied dog that could go to ground would be a terrier for the hunts... he disliked smooth coated white terriers because at the time a smooth coat suggested that there was bull blood in the make up and that would make the dog too hard for what was required in a bolting dog... now a days i see alot of 'parson russells' with smooth coats and carrying papers... it just seems to me that as long as they are leggy they can be labelled with the 'parson' tag?? and the wee short bow legged fellow (that doesnt seem to be as common nowadays) is labelled as a jack russell... when i was a cub the local terrier men considered the short legged russell with a smooth coat was a jack russell and anything with a longer leg was labelled as an 'english' russell because a short bodied and straight legged russell was uncommon here... the thing is, the wee bow legged dog that used to be very common here was always labeled as a jack russell but when in comparison to what the reverend russell considered a terrier for the hunt the only thing they have that relates to his description is a white body, is it not??? so i guess what i'm trying to figure out is that, have the 2 breed standards drifted away from what the reverend russell considered as a foxing terrier??? and how did the short legged and long bodied and sometimes bow legged russell ever become to be called a russell?? on looks would the rev not have considered this bitch over Fish...E's as suitable??? i have no papers with mine fantastic looking bitch i have no papers withy mine would you consider breeding with mine. Edited July 13, 2009 by awen Quote Link to post
just jack 998 Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 this is mine, no papers though, (whoopie fecking do ), not a fox dog Quote Link to post
wexford Pa 84 Posted May 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 this is mine, no papers though, (whoopie fecking do ), not a fox dog Nice dog there jackoleeds.. remember seein the pic of the young lad wit the rat, he looks chuffed wit that.. Atb wit him, hope ya have luck breeding him.. Pa Quote Link to post
just jack 998 Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 this is mine, no papers though, (whoopie fecking do ), not a fox dog Nice dog there jackoleeds.. remember seein the pic of the young lad wit the rat, he looks chuffed wit that.. Atb wit him, hope ya have luck breeding him.. Pa doubt i'll be breeding him mate, he's been deballacked Quote Link to post
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