squeeking in foxes... no joy

[Guest oldskool]

u definatly have a few good points there kane!! but its been pissing rain here for the last week. so hard ground aint a problem!! if i go to an area where foxes have been well educated then i set out a rabbit with a slice down the belly, get my back against the hedge, call and wait. works alot!!! hows that for fieldcraft kane mate?

Edited June 29, 2006 by oldskool

[dickyboy 1]

I've said it before and i'll say it again GREEN filters are the way forward

 

LOL LOL LOL,red filter, green filter, sky blue pink filter.

Get out there in the season dark still nights forget about your realtree your filters your new digital sound electric portable caller and try and learn to walk quietly,stop fidgeting ,giggling and learn a bit of field craft use hedges etc as a back ground to cut out your siloette,dont run a couple of rabbits or a hare through boredom and then expect to call that fox across the same field he might be looking your way but he aint going to come and all your doing is educating them.

Well des said it all running an 18 month old bullx bich on rock hard land after a few cubs be lucky if she makes it till sept,plenty of foxes will still be around though so why not wait for better running conditions.

 

 

Well said kane!!!

[Nell 1]

its good to teach the dog to do it by himself. singlehandedness is wat u are aiming for. i used to just run a young dog with the old. but i sometimes discovered that a hard dog would catch where he could and take punishment but a dog that has been taught on his own will learn to catch by the throat or chest. [bANNED TEXT] the fox has been despatched lift it by the back legs and enourage the dog to mouth the neck. a cub or 2 will hardly damage the population although stop [bANNED TEXT] the dog learns wat its all about! this season will let u see wat he is made of.

 

 

 

I have always thought like that too oldskool.

 

I'm no expert and I most certainly haven't the experience of some on here, but I have always taught a dog in the same way and it's worked for me, maybe people dissagree with this but thats up to them, i'm sure not everyone goes about bringing a dog on in the same way.

[Guest oldskool]

:11: i am know expert either but i know wat i see! the litter brother of the bitch in the pic belonged to my neighbour. he entered it his own way and the dog failed with fox. i also had a bitsa lurcher and it excelled at fox [bANNED TEXT] the litter sister, that the breeder kept, also failed. i must be doin somethin right. i own a rifle too, so a lurchers first fox is quite often a woundie. (unintentional, mite i add.)

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

When the going gets harder on the foxes later on ,All you boys with the red filters out now will have nothing to fall back on .The filter is my last resort on lamp shy anything .Do the job right with a white light . Strikes me some of you boys either dont run foxes or dont know what the feck your doing when you do .There is no problem at all entering a dog to cubs .They dont stay cubs forever and as the cubs grow so will the dogs confidence .Some of us that run our dogs all year round ,do so because we cant bear to take a break from the running game not because its any easier on the dog -we just have to be out.Farmers and landowners around us would soon get fed up if fox control DIDNT carry on all year round

.Sticking to a close season when there is nt one legally is beyond me and smacks of part time dog men .Obviously , most of those of us who run all year round are bright enough to not run on baked ground .The first go at cubs around us coincides with the first cut silage and what better ground to run on than short cropped grass.?

[Kane 2]

When the going gets harder on the foxes later on ,All you boys with the red filters out now will have nothing to fall back on .The filter is my last resort on lamp shy anything .Do the job right with a white light . Strikes me some of you boys either dont run foxes or dont know what the feck your doing when you do .There is no problem at all entering a dog to cubs .They dont stay cubs forever and as the cubs grow so will the dogs confidence .Some of us that run our dogs all year round ,do so because we cant bear to take a break from the running game not because its any easier on the dog -we just have to be out.Farmers and landowners around us would soon get fed up if fox control DIDNT carry on all year round

.Sticking to a close season when there is nt one legally is beyond me and smacks of part time dog men .Obviously , most of those of us who run all year round are bright enough to not run on baked ground .The first go at cubs around us coincides with the first cut silage and what better ground to run on than short cropped grass.?

 

 

Perhaps some of us are ameteurs and dont know what we are doing.....speaking for myself only, it would give me no satisfaction at all to see my dogs kill cubs,It makes me wonder if foxes are a bit of a novelty to you.It gives me great satisfaction to see my dogs work fit healthy agressive adult foxes it would be childs play to go out and slaughter cubs,thats why it holds no appeal for a lot of lads they prefer the long cold darker nights that test their skills aswell as the dogs.I understand the need for pest control in certain places,but killing cubs just because your bored. .IMHO.It doesnt matter how many cubs you run a dog on its the 1st hard biting adult it meets that will either make or break your dogs,I would run a dog on rabbits to improve its runnig turning(when the ground softer) etc when its old enough it will do adult foxes (if its bred right)JMO

 

There are a few fields cut for silage in this area and the soil under what was lush grass is rock hard.

[Guest oldskool]

Sticking to a close season when there is nt one legally is beyond me and smacks of part time dog men .Obviously , most of those of us who run all year round are bright enough to not run on baked ground .The first go at cubs around us coincides with the first cut silage and what better ground to run on than short cropped grass.?

 

 

 

 

 

we know there isnt a close season mate, and foxes need a certain amount of control all year round but by over doing things you are only leaving your sport short of action for the coming season. there is already a joker going about my way blastin cubs and leverets with a rifle [bANNED TEXT] there is no need for it at all. my patch of ground is bare already. is it not plain common sense to leave all alone and give things a chance. i guess wat it boils down to is having respect for your quarry and maintaining the balance instead of upsetting it because u have nothing to do!! as a farmer myself i think i know wat i am talking about!

[ROZ 0]

we know there isnt a close season mate, and foxes need a certain amount of control all year round but by over doing things you are only leaving your sport short of action for the coming season. there is already a joker going about my way blastin cubs and leverets with a rifle [bANNED TEXT] there is no need for it at all. my patch of ground is bare already. is it not plain common sense to leave all alone and give things a chance. i guess wat it boils down to is having respect for your quarry and maintaining the balance instead of upsetting it because u have nothing to do!! as a farmer myself i think i know wat i am talking about!

 

well said oldskool. Surely aug /sept is early enough to start on cubs/adults.We should have respect for our quarry. Any hunts that did start before the ban in late aug early sept done it to dispers the cubs for the coming season.

Edited June 30, 2006 by rozesky

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

we know there isnt a close season mate, and foxes need a certain amount of control all year round but by over doing things you are only leaving your sport short of action for the coming season. there is already a joker going about my way blastin cubs and leverets with a rifle [bANNED TEXT] there is no need for it at all. my patch of ground is bare already. is it not plain common sense to leave all alone and give things a chance. i guess wat it boils down to is having respect for your quarry and maintaining the balance instead of upsetting it because u have nothing to do!! as a farmer myself i think i know wat i am talking about!

 

well said oldskool. Surely aug /sept is early enough to start on cubs/adults.We should have respect for our quarry. Any hunts that did start before the ban in late aug early sept done it to dispers the cubs for the coming season.

 

For those lads with a small patch to go on then maybe a close season is in order .Around us there are farmers who phone me up if they see a fox .I do several keepered places and you try telling a keeper to leave some for the winter .Control is done on every occasion possible and still there are more foxes to take the place of those killed .By various means I kill in excess of 100 foxes a year so I feel I am experienced enough to talk on their control .Killing for sport is a far cry from control .If called upon to kill a fox at any time ,day or night ,how many of you seasoners would put yourself out for no pay .None I expect ,prefering to wait for the right conditions of weather and ground .Now whos the amateur Kane ?

[Guest oldskool]

its only my view but if a farmer or keeper calls then fair enough a rougue fox needs dealt with! but there is a world of difference between and honest case of pest control and somebody out for a night because there is "nothing else to do". maybe that was just a case of you picking the wrong words but a 'call out' is directed to the one area and trying to solve a problem in that area. where as a nights lamping for sport usually involves covering a wide range of territory and catching foxes for your own enjoyment. this is the wrong time of the year for that kind of enjoyment! i dont think hard ground as anything to do with whether or not u should run your dog, fair enough u dont want to damage a dogs feet but to be fair in mid winter the ground can be just as hard with frost.

Edited July 1, 2006 by oldskool

[Kane 2]

.By various means I kill in excess of 100 foxes a year so I feel I am experienced enough to talk on their control .Killing for sport is a far cry from control .If called upon to kill a fox at any time ,day or night ,how many of you seasoners would put yourself out for no pay .None I expect ,prefering to wait for the right conditions of weather and ground .Now whos the amateur Kane ?

 

Well if your hunting foxes every week of the year and are killing litters of cubs I would think 100 isnt a figure to get excited about,

[Guest oldskool]

Well if your hunting foxes every week of the year and are killing litters of cubs I would think 100 isnt a figure to get excited about,

 

 

 

 

 

 

thats good point too kane

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

.By various means I kill in excess of 100 foxes a year so I feel I am experienced enough to talk on their control .Killing for sport is a far cry from control .If called upon to kill a fox at any time ,day or night ,how many of you seasoners would put yourself out for no pay .None I expect ,prefering to wait for the right conditions of weather and ground .Now whos the amateur Kane ?

 

Well if your hunting foxes every week of the year and are killing litters of cubs I would think 100 isnt a figure to get excited about,

 

It says in excess of 100 actually .

Old skool- Keepers around us regard every fox /cub as a potential rogue .Its a poor keeper who waits to have trouble before tackling the problem .Im out all year round because around us there is a need for control.Combine this with an overwhelming desire to be out foxing and the scene is set !

Kane says he starts a lurcher on the real ,full grown fox which is admirable but how many lurchers has he actually started like this-2,4 or a dozen .The successful entering of a few young dogs is short lived when a young dog meets a nasty customer for the first time .Better to keep them winning .

Someone said about hunts cubhunting .This is an entirely different subject .Hunts kill everything whilst cubbing to create a better hunting season propper, ahead .It reduces numbers so hounds wont split too often and concentrate on the hunted fox .It is not to disperse cubs over the country as often thought .

[Kane 2]

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Kane says he starts a lurcher on the real ,full grown fox which is admirable but how many lurchers has he actually started like this-2,4 or a dozen .The successful entering of a few young dogs is short lived when a young dog meets a nasty customer for the first time .Better to keep them winning .

 

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Well its not as simple as that mate they see a lot of freshly killed ones 1st and are run with another dog at the beggining.You agree that its not the cubs that test them but a hard biting adult,IMHO when a dog gets hit hard by a fox if its going to quit it will quit it doesnt matter how many cubs its killed.

I can understand the passion for hunting and a real need to get out there,Ime bored stiff and irritable I dont like the heat and my eyes are itching with a high pollen count,but to go out killing cubs just for the craic is a bit much.Most of us put up with the boredom and heat and sit in anticipation of a good hard testing season to come,when only the more commited lurchers and terriers pass their tests.and a lot of those keen cub killing dogs are found lacking.JMO.

If its pest control I realy dont have a problem,in july rather you than me.

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

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Kane says he starts a lurcher on the real ,full grown fox which is admirable but how many lurchers has he actually started like this-2,4 or a dozen .The successful entering of a few young dogs is short lived when a young dog meets a nasty customer for the first time .Better to keep them winning .

 

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Well its not as simple as that mate they see a lot of freshly killed ones 1st and are run with another dog at the beggining.You agree that its not the cubs that test them but a hard biting adult,IMHO when a dog gets hit hard by a fox if its going to quit it will quit it doesnt matter how many cubs its killed.

I can understand the passion for hunting and a real need to get out there,Ime bored stiff and irritable I dont like the heat and my eyes are itching with a high pollen count,but to go out killing cubs just for the craic is a bit much.Most of us put up with the boredom and heat and sit in anticipation of a good hard testing season to come,when only the more commited lurchers and terriers pass their tests.and a lot of those keen cub killing dogs are found lacking.JMO.

If its pest control I realy dont have a problem,in july rather you than me.

Pest control mate ,through and through .Mostly with the rifle with the lurcher along to run any which come in very close or are winged [not many].