top chalker, firstly i'd like to say thanks for your comments about my dog, cheers mate, 2ndly that white dog is in incredible condition and looks the part but the black dog(and this is maybe due to the fact you took it with a camera phone) ,but it looks to me as if it could do with a good feed, now im not having a go because you had a go at my mate's mates dog but it does look similar to that white bull x of his, all the best in what you do this winter, perhaps you could put another pic of that black dog and prove me wrong, and if you can prove me wrong, i will be man enough to appologise....