nipper betsy x sam lucy according to a ped on another topic bang on mate think the ped was mine lol, Sam and nipper litter mates to foxy are out of seagull by drews Joe, Betsy is out seagulls sis by dels Luke, Lucy 1st x black arse x jade ?? .... Pettle is the second litter out of fettle by smokey, if it's the same bitch I'd think she'd be older than 7 though, do you no the sire to her previous linings mate?