I once called a Black and Tan coursing dog Dave the name of the lad I got him off as a pup , scruffy Dave we called the lad he must of had 3 shits ever morning we was out in the hedges, the dog made not a bad dog, I sold him to Craig nutall for good money to me at the time and he ended up with Jimmy Ford I heard, you would of liked him mate he was a fast type, he was ruby x spider x foxy x joe.