you know what I am on about bill its clever kunts that just want to look big or tough buying these dogs, I know they have a place, but its not in the hands of wankers with their hats on back to front, and if the idiots are not buying them from RESPECTABLE breeders where are they getting them from.i will tell you other idiots, if being used by proper people for a proper job I am all in favour no probs.