Really enjoying reading this gents.. especially hearing from Tomo and Lutra, cheers for taking the time to post.. I'm sure it's not just me that appreciates it. I live just outside Mansfield.. it's a small, picturesque quaint village... sort of place you see on postcards.. called Shirebrook! Lutra, i remember reading an artical in EDRD.. written by D.Slight about the tragic death of Ian Clay, must have been over 20 years ago. I remember the article well.. he had a collie cross bitch, smooth coated, called Skye.. i think. ( or Moon). He passed in Kings Mill hospital. Funny how some things stic