My friends dad had one the best huge he was spring was his name bull grey dear cross 29" king spring....... every slip gaurenteed had cought loads by ditches fences evan falls that how moat are caght any ways this lad took for the throat all time every time we were only kids hed folow over fences the lot would go missing wed sit tight back hed come breathless ly down in the grass an cool off then lead us on to it ght . . Not a fan of addrenaline pumped meat