Cheers for the input lads. Truth is the 1 pup from all 3 litters i veiwed what stood out was from the deerhound/collie grey x beardie collie litter. Sire and dam both big strong dogs and the lad seemed genuine. This pup was a dog chunkier than the rest and a broad head with a nice temprement. I was after a bitch to keep in the house with my other bitch if i get the dog he might have to go outside, makes no difference though i suppose