that's what iam saying, start of the season the owner of the shoot+ keeper, would work out how many birds there putting out or poults to rear . What ever the number 3000 - 6000 birds they got to know they will loose quite few to predators etc . And some shoots, guns are paying £ 8-10 grand full gun a season , last time was beating at few shoots most had 8-10 guns , so I reckon they could cover the cost of having extra birds they may need , that will be taken from predators , or as above killed on roads etc. Now to me lab , that's how a proper shoot should be run, if they trying to