And thanks guys, am pretty clued up with normal training regulations as it were, like not nagging, or constantly repeating things (or like my bloody grand giving them constant treats to "make them behave" when they are barking jumping up etc, well with my mums and her dogs, these two have both learnt they get sod all until they are calm!) Also she is a hefty great lump (well if you have fibromyalgia and me and lost all the muscles that working with horses had given you!) So she isn't cuddled all that often, I'll occasionally sit down with her when she is calm, and Sam spent along time not gett