Right lads just had a debate with pip on the phone, he wreckons terriers are just as good at bushing as a purpose bred dog ie beagle russel, beagle spaniel etc, I got some good mates that have used terriers for well over 20 years maybe 30yrs some of them, but they prefere the x's they just leave the terriers for dust. I have no doubt you get the odd freak like the dam to pips beagle russel but still they soon slow down when the x's are just getting warmed up, im not talking about mooching about im talking good hard long cold wet winter day etc. this is to the lads that work both regularly on