do you go up 1 or 2 at a time nd what length do u end up with cheers every one for you replies nd its still not to clear yet am jst not clued up with numbers yethi yeah i go up in ones this is how I do them properly 8,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,17,17,17,16,15,14,13,12,11,10,9,8,8, end up with a 4ft net hope this helps pal