i know I dreaded doing this topic, its simple i just want a black one nothing to do with hunting, i will work it and willing to put the work into it so don't care if it comes from working stock or not.
i just thought I would use the site resources but unfortunately there a down side. Some people take the topic in a total different direction, its a good thing not everyone is like this. so thanks to all the people that stick to the question i asked.