Your right Pedro, the 'one' Pie dog in the pic was from Wigan, his half tail was the accidental result of a car door. He was owned by two lads in his life, the first working him hard and building a bit of a reputation with him, the next (though still working him) really got him looking the part and put him to stud. Pie lined numerous bitches and it would be fair to say that a lot of poor stuff probably did come out (but then again, one mans meat.....)
Pie was 'lost' in Arnside in the early 90's.
Some of the line do start as pups with a leg defect, in which at around 6 to 8 weeks, if on their