:thumbs: This is obviously a subject whhich brings up strong emotion. My take and experience is this, in 1986 i got an after school job walking a kennel of imported bulls, i was shown this strange piece of equipment and shown how to use it, not for any dark or seedy purposes but in case an accident happened on exercise. When i first got a very well bred and drivey bull cross i realised the breakstick was a usefull piece of equipment, i am not and wasn't an inexperienced dog trainer and im used to drivey dogs BUT when dealing with fox and deer (all way before the ban) i found a breakstick mu