.speedie your always going on about english dogs being no good .now your saying they dont turn quick enough ,they aint fast enough .they dont jump etc etc etc .and they cant get a good winter hare under control .i never read such bollox ,and going by some of the nonsence being posted thats saying some thing .why dont you say which english dogs your referring to .theres thousands over here .theres never been an irish dog win the forley cup ,the majority of them have jacked or been tailed of ,and the irish hare is never in the same league as a fen hare .if all the irish hares were put on the fen