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The current law already holds owners liable if their dog injures or kills someone.
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This story perfectly illustrates what I was talking about with it being an issue of enforcement not legislation, the police had been to this mans property on multiple occassions after his dogs had been reported rampaging round the local area so why the feck did he still have them? They were well within their rights to seize the dogs under current legislation but chose to just "offer advice" instead and now a man is dead.
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It sounds like this is the route they will be going down and I agree on the face of it it all sounds decent enough and should work in theory but then you get into the problem of defining an XL bully without lumping in every bull/mastiff type over a certain size, "pit type" is enough of a shit show with random mutts and staffords getting caught up in it and they at least had an established breed and standard to work off with that.
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The sheer number of them around would make doing that unrealistic and that's without getting into the optics of 1000s of families being raided and having their beloved family pet seized. Any enforcement of the ban will be done on a reactive basis responding to reports of someone having an XL bully like it is with the pit bulls IMO. Might be a few police forces that will occasionally get a bee in their bonnet about proactively enforcing the ban like what happened in Liverpool and certain boroughs of London over the years but generally if you don't draw attention to yourself you'll probably
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If they include the pocket and standard bullys this is going to be an even bigger shit show than I predicted. What's the difference between a french/british bulldog and a pocket bully? Or a stafford and a standard bully?
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Am staffs have always been Section 1 banned breed because they fall under pit type
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Elephant hawk moth (Deilephila elpeno) to be exact, one of the nicest looking species we get IMO
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Finding Kimbo – Bully Watch BULLYWATCH.LINK At Bully Watch, we began delving into the pedigrees—essentially, the family trees—of dogs from the most... This is really interesting long read on how a huge majority of the foundation stock of XL bullys in the UK are heavily bred on an unstable dog called Kimbo. Breeders in the US are well aware that this line throws manbiters and generally breed away from it these days but the UK breeders don't seem to know or care.
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Couldn't agree with you more regards the DDA pal it nipped it in the bud at the right time before there was a load of genuine dogs in the hands of Joe Public and the real lads just cracked on under the radar as it had always been. The difference this time around is we're absolutely flooded with these XL bullys already, enforcement is going to be a huge job.
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Like I was saying in reality there's no way they can write legislation that bans XL bullys without other large bull breeds getting caught up in it. It'll be like the whole "pit type" thing and depending on how heavily it's actually enforced could be the end of large bull breeds in the UK.
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As with most things in this country it's a problem of enforcement not legislation. The laws are on the books to deal with the issues of irresponsible breeders and dickheads with out of control dogs off lead in public etc but they're not enforced.
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Get rid of the bull breeds and the dickheads will just move on to kangals and ovcharkas etc it's already happening in some areas. Probably end up with any dog that won't fit in a handbag banned by next year
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Genuinely can't see how you'd write legislation that bans XL bullys without basically banning every bull or mastiff breed over a certain size. Going to be an absolute shit show.
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XL bully breed to be banned in UK after spate of attacks - just hours after man savaged to death WWW.LBC.CO.UK The dangerous XL bully breed of dogs will be banned in the UK. It's going to be really interesting to see how they define an XL Bully without also banning a load of other breeds like American Bulldogs, Bullmastiffs etc etc
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Aye being more rural we were lucky to have the space and privacy to use chainspots for all our grown dogs, always hated working with dogs in pens on pals yards it's awkward even with the well behaved dogs and if things go left it can get really emotional as you know Exactly the same as you all the real bad dogs I've been around have been those big black b*****ds, had them from a couple of different lines too it's like they're some kind of throwback or something
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Exactly that pal these dogs were kept on chains in secure yards and only ever around grown men who knew what they were about and exercised at night away from the public not running round off lead in a park full of kids and dog walkers!
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Honestly I'm sure you could put manners on some of the dogs like that if you tried but a lot of them really are just wired up wrong and it's just a case of either working around their issues or putting a bullet in them if you don't think it's worth the hassle no amount of training would make them truly safe to be around. I wouldn't tolerate it any dog these days TBH but that's mostly because I'm too old and slow to deal with it now back then it was just considered to be part of keeping them really.
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Oh definitely in terms of day to day handling the unpredictable ones are way more of a headache. I had this big black bitch years ago that would bounce about on her chain wagging her tail looking happy to see you but if you actually reached out to give her a pat it was 50/50 whether she'd turn into a Tasmanian devil the second your hand made contact with her or not, gave us some good laughs when unsuspecting lads would get lured in by her was like a switch would just go off and for the rest of the day she'd be going mental. Was generally fine once you were actually working with her but you ha
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Nothing quite like that look a real man eater gives you when they're fired up and decide it's you that's going to get it today, makes your blood run cold. I've been around big cats and wolves and other wild predators but the energy just doesn't come to close.
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I see this young woman around with one of those ovcharkas, it's head comes up to her tits and it's constantly ragging on the lead and generally looking like an out of control beast Accident waiting to happen
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One of the causes of the problems with these bullys is that stupid "deed not breed, no bad dogs just bad owners" shit IMO. Fecking fur mummies and their "pibbles" have got a lot to answer for. We didn't have these problems when the only people who had dogs like this were folk who knew what they had and what they're capable of.
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Don't think I've ever seen a darkie with a bully TBH, mostly chavvy white council estate types with them round my way at least.
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Honestly just actually enforcing current laws around keeping dogs on leads and going after the breeders using existing legislation would go a long way to solving the problem.
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Can you imagine the scenes on the news of police raids to seize beloved family pets etc? Will be an absolute shit show. When the pit bull ban came in there really weren't many around and even less being kept as family pets, this will be totally different. I also don't really see how you'd write legislation to ban xl bullys that doesn't just blanket ban any bull blooded dog over a certain size
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Yep the problem is the explosion in the population of these dogs caused by the mental money they were fetching. These dogs need a certain type of owner and home but the average owner now seems to be someone who jumped on the latest fashion after frenchies got a bit boring who doesn't bother training it and just turns it out in their postage stamp of a back yard for exercise
