Cragman, you stole my thunder, spot on , it's easy, 2 pound a week I lose if done correctly, I've had a good July to now so 12 pounds has been added but come jan I'm looking forward to the challenge again and I'm 51, people do these silly diets then boom back on in a week or two, I've always put weight on easy since I was 20 whatever I did , and before you lot think I'm fat I'm only 12st