here here, Neil, very well put, a gentlemans words!! Always remember ur terrier indeed..and Barrie, i take no offence, but simply stating that if a gentleman or lady, whatever the case may be has the time and energy(of which i seem to have none..hehe) to use internet forums to try rile people up and resort to silly school playground name calling and constant posts asking for presentations well none better to take the sting outta them and let them use their time//energy to be put to better uses..seems like today is gonna be a great day,so shall take baby and one of these lurchers away for a nic