I have two a 177 an 22 an like you say you dont hear much about them also I have to disagree with rake aboot I think they are good guns they are quiet shoot nice and feel right for me anyway only thing I will pull on them is the magazine system if it could come out an another one slotted in so it doesnt have to be loaded while attached to the gun as it can be a bit awkward at night but I do rate them