i have some photo's of nuttall bred dogs going back some 50 years, and the type has changed a hell of a lot in that time, when i was a young un getting into the blacks the dogs to go for where Smithy/Rags(Gould) bred or Punch/Penny(Nuttall) and if you went to Llangollen show late 70's early 's you could by them, i remember Gould turning with a load of terriers a my mate bought a pup for £15 she was a good worker pissed all over the russells we had, my older mates also bought punch/penny bred stuff bloody good workers, i don't know how long ago KG stopped breeding fells but i went there in 199