Cheers mate I am no going to sell my cattys a will no get out for them it is so annoying I payd 10for them each total rip of but every body makes mistakes so just going to buy a milbro got a few in watch the now and I can now get ammo out of cars they are heavy enough for phesents and other things do you have eny dogs i.e lurcher , terrier bull x or out else I have a lurcher Colly grey he's a stunner