real knowlege and wisdom from your words,but i think the lad in question allready made his mind up,like i said in previous post try explain 2 your kids that i,m dyeing because iwanted 2 look big or be stronger, been training on and off for the past 5 years and it has give great pleasure seeing my progress in the gym were i train without takeing anyting but protein drinks and creatine, they must me and another dozen that dos,ent use juice ,even some my friends take it ,its more of image thing then for strengh,basicly they jabbing all the time and them tanning injections only knows what them are