I had a bitch pup off Nuttal out of Jonjoe x Thistle,never made the grade,he said when i took it if it did'nt work bring it back and he would give money back,but i pts cos i knew if i took it back it would end up in the back of his transit van with the other twenty odd puppy machines till it was ready to whelp,that was in '99,im more wary about where i get my dogs from now.Size wise the bitch was about 11"-12" so not as small as some of his stuff but still not a very strong bitch