i was considering a similar post mate,sorry for the thread hijack why dont you like the jill jab,because of the health issues it can cause?surly the jill jab is better than a vac hob for the jill,shes most likly gonna get bitten,often quite badly,on her neck and back.think ill leave the hobs be,smelly wee fookers!and get the jab for the jill.unless i find more information