Youve brought up a few points there matie, yes hare dogs for the fens have improved immesly, no one would argue with that, but for me yes the dogs that were around 20-25 years back that were bred for all round ability, that were suited to the heavy duty lamping game were better and Ive seen nothing over the last 10 years to change my view, The lurcher world is not exempt from fads and fashions, and the present scene is for saluki, bull and smaller whippet crosses, these all open new horizons for the lurcher world, as you say, such as better hare killers as with the saluki bred dogs, but, Im af