thanks for you honest opinions lads,,like you said i am a bit im patiant,,got some great working dogs to go out with with some great permission to go on so will break im slowly then,,its been along time now since i was realy into my dogs,,forgot alot but it will come back,,slowley,,lol,,god time flys,,18 years just gone in a click of the finger,,atb lads,,sorry about the spelling,,half pissed,,drounding my sorrows lads..alots gone on in this last couple of years...lost every one,,,just the misses left.....