Thanks for that got the pup from,west cumbria was told it was bred,dam 22inch lurcher bred form cattledog didnt find the mix,sire racing wippet 20inch, I am struggleing with pictures it wont let me load them, the dog learnt every thing like duck to water stuborn when shown something new,usually put it in kennel overnight next day it really seems to have grasped it, dog swims retreives fur and feather anything fresh shot,well grown now around 22 inch well built explosive turn of speed,will not back down to any threats from other dogs been that way all time I have had him,he is fearless pleasure