Ross remember they arn't labs, and as such you need to manage your own expectations of them, I have been around labs and spaniels also I have trained pointers, I love the gundog breeds, I did start with lurchers, my dad being a big terrier man, 5 yr ago I bought myself a whippet x and last yr I picked a terrier up, it's like going back to my childhood, but the labrador discipline, took a lot of getting out of, they are very different breeds, end of last season, I brought on a young lab for a mate, and miss them I do, my own lab now in his last yr or so, having said that, the whippet x and ter