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had wheatons back in the 80s way before they had to have pitbull blood added to give them back the fire they so needed,never rated them then,and dont rate them now.
Any pics of them Dread?
If you don't mind me asking, what lines had pit blood added and which pit blood was added?
Bullshit! a few wheatens were lined by staffs back in the trialing days,but didnt work out .Probably you had crufts bred shite.Cork is the place to go if your after a working wheaten.There are still working lines(not always registered) and believe me they are game basatards.Same goes for glen of imaals (they are getting too big though and i reckon are headin in the same direction as the bulldog)
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she is just showing leadership, dominance.Ive seen/heard of a lot of patterdales that were very dog aggressive-most were great workers if a little too hard.When i was a young fella i saw a dog get his arse eaten off by a patterdale that ran down after him(stayed on his fox though).Anyways best of luck with her ,i hope she turns out good for you
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Some lads in the eighties bid over £1000 for plummers because they were good working lines ...some are still good working earth dogs ..but due to the amount of plummers being bred they are cheaper.
I've given dogs away many many times, and asked for returns in the future but the owners never oblidge..so now everyone but the closet of friends pay..and if they want another (which is the norm) and the owners become reliable and trustworthy then they usualy do very well from me.
Infact one bitch and a dog are going for free to ireland as a promise i made months ago..
Check out countrymans for the prices of some mongrol lurchers..nuf said!
i can gaurantee you that no genuine digging man in ireland(i mean genuine,not the rest)would have a plummer dog in their yard.they never have or will stick the pace of long digs of many hours over many seasons.they maybe fine to kill a few rats and hunt some cover but they are not working dogs.
ive had plummers to ground 4,5, hours.They have an awful name over here in ireland so there must be some shite ones knocking about.I got mine from a guy in ballinasloe co.galway-best 200euro i ever spent.Unfortunately she got run over by my brother in the yard about a year back.I bred two litters out of her one pure and one by a game bred pitbull,none were sold,2 were nicked,1 got parvo and the others are in the same parish as me.As for the nicked ones ,they were very distinctively marked and should i ever come accross someone walking them at a game fair etc. he wont be having a very nice day(*shooting,hanging,drowning,castration is too good for dog thieves)
I had an ad on donedeal selling 3/4 bred plummer pups and honestly ive never spoken to so many spastics and timewasters in my life-its maybe fourteen years since the last time i advertised working terriers (things have changed).Also one has to be very careful what you say(certain i had a call from an anti/undercover type). I think 150 to 250 euro is a fair price for well bred terrier pub whose both parents are good workers.
to Glenn: out of curiosity how much would a wyremead pup set someone back? Id believe it about that nine week old pup -my 2 pups are the same.Also i met a guy from mayo a few years back
with a real nice plummer dog,that i think came from you ,Brendan was his first name i think(had the marks of a dog that had seen plenty)
I think most people who knock them have never owned one,sure their creator told a few tall tales,semi truths and porkie pies in his books-I.M.O thats irrelevant to the dogs he bred.(vincent van gough was a nutcase but he drew some nice pictures)
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track grey has better turn but coursing is bigger, faster, stronger
coursing arent faster..track are faster but dont have as much stamina as the coursing..coursing bred hounds are bigger, stronger and dont injure as easily as the track hound....depends what you want mate...
do you want lightly built dogs with more speed maybe a bit less stamina that may tend to injure easily?
or do you want a slightly bigger dog with a bit more stamina, may not injure as easily but maybe not as fast?
personaly i would go for the coursing hound as they may be alittle stronger..you wouldnt even notice the difference in speed when crossed..
atb mate
Coursing are faster on the straight than a track dog
in any of my experiences the track dog are faster but dont suit the coursing because they dont have enough stamina to run a few races in a day..why aint coursing dogs used on tracks they if the are faster???....
wont chase the artificial hare,or will do it 2 0r 3 times and go sour.long charlie a newry hill son had the track record for 500yds in tralee a few years back.then again a brett lee son won knockgraffon coursing last season.Ive had coursing saplings that were as wild and unbiddable as young wolves-if temperment is an issue.I find the coursing dogs cop on a lot faster hunting wise
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hats of 2 u tinytiger, i like people wi balls, if ur not happy wi somthing u improve it the way that suits u. ime not a plmmer man but i like a digging dog, thay look like digging dogs 2 me well done [bANNED TEXT]. f**k the clubs, n yes rosettes dont dig holes
nice looking dogs,whats the lad in the foreground(a bull russell?
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tiny ive sent 2 soon to be 3 males over and theres breeders over there from way back...besides phil and sonatal flyn (nailer x scorpio) good dog.
legion well nuf said .anything from nine is more bull blooded so anything from a apbt and legion has to be more bull than plummer.
DBp..as far as I can see theres not much purebreeding hes ever done.... infact in 1999 when he started medling the dogs were begining to right themselves and bred true outside influnces were disaperaing then ....bang plum does one. Quoteing the every "ten generations bang in some bull blood."
try telling any throurougbred race horse breeder to bang in a little bit of shire horse to get better bone every ten genertaioons and youd be laughed out of the place.
if you no about genetics you will know why they resemble plummers...but 30 lb dogs arent plummers!..make good drawing dogs mind.
As for showing yep not really my scene either.
The throughbred studbook goesback to early 1700s you arent quite that well established yet(just messin)-
yeah id make her 9/16 bull.I had to make a 250 mile round trip to use phils dog-only found him as his dog had got up on his neighbours lakeland and i rang them to enquire which parent was the plummer as i was looking for a stud.anyhow they put me on to him-nice fella-ive lost his contact details as i lost my phone not long after the mating.out of 4 pups 2 died ,one tri coluor dog who was stolen at 11 months and"cody" the bitch in my arms in the above picture is my only "pure" bred plummer at the moment
I would have used a full plummer on her,only i couldnt find one who wasnt her father or grandfather(we only got a computer a few months back).I used her half brother as i wanted to see what doubling up my original plummer "jazz"would throw(she really was something ,utterly game with a better nose than a gundog and very intelligent)
THe bitch in my arms is only 1/16 bull(via nine)-would she be eligible for registration with your organisation if i could find out how her mother was bred(apart from being nines grandaughter)
i think "jazzes" mother was a sister to legion mask but im not 100% on that.
plummer terriers have a very bad name over here as workers-i cant see why-the ones ive had are/were the equal of any patterdale ive seen.
any way thanks for your time
john
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28 30 lbs Id say thats way to big for fox ..fit only for the others and with that much bull blood a waste of a plummer.
I.M.O a dog that is never worked and is just paraded around a show ring is a waste of a plummer
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28 30 lbs Id say thats way to big for fox ..fit only for the others and with that much bull blood a waste of a plummer.
try telling her that! I used an apbt stud only because i couldnt locate a full bred working plummer here in ireland,her previous litter were by a plummer(ballina flynn) and i wanted to try something different.The half siblings were put over each other and i have 4 month pups that nobody could distinguish from a fullbred plummer and are showing all the right signs.I didnt just use any pitbull-searched long and hard ,maybe looked at 20 different studs until i found the one i wanted.Ive had no problems with dog aggression/kennel fights and have had more than 1 to ground at once.
if you want to see the pups they are probably still on donedeal.ie(2 that ive left arent for sale though).My original plummer bitch was out of alegion bred bitch by a tricolour plummer bred by a Mr johnson from wales.I didnt get papers with her_the litter was born on christmas day '04 and bred by d o conner ,galway-maybe some of her siblings were registered , i would be very interested to know her full pedigree.I cant see how i am doing anything different to legion kennels-brian plummer wasnt the only person ever, to know a thing or 2 about genetics.
there is an old breeding axiom "twice in ,once out"- stonehenge mentions this in his greyhound book of the 1850s,it worked then and it still does(i could shite on all day about alleles/genes etc but i wont)
I dont claim my dogs are fullbred plummers.Ill post a pic of the two half sisters
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Hi all ,hows it going.I was just wondering if the waterloo cup strains of greyhound have become extinct.Im on about lines going back to the likes of evening mail,timworth edward,hardly ever,rodney magnet,linden eland etc.I recall a dog called musket bearer a few years back(pre coursing ban) that had a dash of this blood in his damline(i think).Does anybody on here know if he s still alive or of anything bred similarly.Im sure thousands of lurchers could trace back to these lines but im looking for greyhounds.I think it would be/is a shame if they have died out ,maybe the conservatives will have the waterloo cup back next year(wishful thinking)
anyways thanks
john
Hi Musket Bearer was owned and bred by Mary Birkbeck(hence the MB) she was true to the English lines and would nt use any Irish blood inher lines,saying that she held her own against the Irish bred/blood dogs on the field
and no doubt shes still holding out with these lines Y.I.S Leeview
thanks ,much appreciated
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Hi all ,hows it going.I was just wondering if the waterloo cup strains of greyhound have become extinct.Im on about lines going back to the likes of evening mail,timworth edward,hardly ever,rodney magnet,linden eland etc.I recall a dog called musket bearer a few years back(pre coursing ban) that had a dash of this blood in his damline(i think).Does anybody on here know if he s still alive or of anything bred similarly.Im sure thousands of lurchers could trace back to these lines but im looking for greyhounds.I think it would be/is a shame if they have died out ,maybe the conservatives will have the waterloo cup back next year(wishful thinking)
anyways thanks
john
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like you said this post was about a lad asking about what dog to put over his bitch so i have given my opinion on the cross i have bred for years and you big know it all boys come on here and insult me. well im sorry but i never said anythng about my dog being a world beater, i just said he was a good dog and has proven himself (no different than what everyone else says), there for in my opionion he would be a good cross for his bitch and i have seen this breeding before and it has been very sucessful.
You go on about how my blood throws heavey, he is 25tts and 24kg.....i have a 7 month old collie x grey with just 1/8th bull and she already makes him look small....she is as tall as him, heavier than him and alot wider across the back than him.
Dont come on here and slag off peoples opinions
just because you dont like a breed.Who has slagged your opinion off folk simply said why would you want to put a heavily base blooded lurcher across something that is nearly half base blood in the first place, i also fail to see how you have bred this cross for years your only 24 now,all a cross of yours would do across a 5/8ths 3/8ths bitch would do would make the cross more base blood than sight hound which most people try to stay away from as the less sight hound the slower and less pace and punch a dog has,as long as i can remember there has been a pair of belgian shepards on my parents small holding so i dont dislike the breed at all there good guard dogs,loyal,and obidient if i had seen something decent in them over other breeds ive had years and years to try the cross if i had wanted but i never did for one simple fact there is already better breeds out there more suited and tried and tested for base blood in a lurcher i simply fail to see what a belgian shepard can do what other breeds can do better its just my opinion so stop chucking your teddy out the pram i am sure your dogs are great working dogs and i am happy for you but i cant see every one rushing out and buying or breeding belgian shepard based lurchers anytime soon
Im not on here to argue with you or anyone else and im not as you put it chucking my teddy out of the pram but i dont like people coming on here and saying dont use that breed its crap.....when actually its not and you know nothing about what i have bred. I dont have to prove anything to any of you about me or my dogs. everyone is intitled to an opinion but you lot on here cant help but put people down because no one knows better than you. Are you frinds with Mark Brick by any chance??
I mite only be 24 but i have have been involved in breeding lurchers, terriers and greyhounds all my life and all over the world. Me and my family happen to have some of the best greyhounds in Australia and America and i have that greyhound blood in my lurchers. I think it is just sad that there are some real nice dog folk out there and some real f*****g w*****s.
any greyhounds in particular (names) -just curious.there used to be an alsation lurcher (similar cross to your dog?.forgive my ignorance if not) in my village and it was an amazingly versatile worker.ive always wondered why more of them arent bred.(with turvereens its understandable as they are more rare) anyhow best of luck with your dogs
john
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a fine looking dog
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World has gone mad paying so much for a dog. Pedigree or crossbreed! Friend of mine's bro just bought Bernese for over £1200. Madness.
Too much money in pups. Not good for any breed or working line. If some idiot is willing to pay it, another idiot will be happy to charge it!
That is so true mate the last litter of cockers I bred I kept 2 and gave 3 of the others to mates all they paid was for the dock/dew and kc reg nowt else advertised the other and I had some woman ring up and tell me I should sell the bitch to her cause she wanted to breed more cockerxpoodles cause she could sell them for £1000 and mine was the cheapest cocker bitch she could find for sale(£250 reg/dewed and docked) she got told to f**k off
Good for you!
I can't stand these 'designer' crossbreeds like cockerpoo, pugalier etc just bred for 5 minute craze. Not anti all crossbreeds obviously but there needs to be a point in doing the cross not just to give it a stupid name. I did see a greyhound x poodle litter for sale. Funnily enough they weren't advertised as Poo-hounds!
there obviously must be some market for them though.Im in ireland, buy and sell,donedeal,munster free ads paper are all full of them and for serious coin. bull-shits,jackauhuaas,cockapoos,labradoodle.people think they are healthier than purebreds or something? i suppose a reaction to the extreme show craze.have celebrities owned them or something.On a bit of a tangent Mia farrow had a dog i bred once(a mungrel terrier ,but cute looking) I didnt sell it to her (unfortunately),gave it to the guy i got its mother off-who gave it to his daughter in wicklow who then sold it to mia farrow..
(she was in a film called widows peak at the time)
that wasnt a puppy peddlin story(its true)-i dont have any of that line anymore ,some hunters but evil people biting cnts
re. the mamalute x greys :if the young fella sells them for that price more luck to him(you can buy a pretty good greyhound ,already tracking for about that these days)>ill not be buying 1 though.
i have seen some excellent lurchers from unusual crosses (eg.red setter) but a lot more bad ones
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Actually Aisling, it looks to me that your anti-coursing. That makes you an anti.
No park coursing is not hunting, no one said it was, but it is a fieldsport. One with a massive following.
By the way, the only legal way to course hares here in Ireland is under rules at a coursing meeting run by the I.C.C. wether it be open or park.
Also hares netted for a park meeting must be brought back and released in the same place they were netted. So park coursing doesn't actually take any hares out of the Irish countryside.
probably there are more hares due to coursing,the does arent coursed if they are pregnant,and are safe from wild predators..
They should stop their investigation and just lock up that red haired nutter bernie-ultimately she is responsible for cruelty to this hare(she had no problem claiming it before people noticed the wire)
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ive never heard so much bull,PTCGB.PTA.means nothing, no wonder (most) of u plummer owners have distanced ur selfs from the other type terriers or should i say other terrier owners have distanced from plummer owners, its more intense than the KC CLUB. I have a very good friend who ownes a pack of plummers whos not frightened 2 outcross the breed purely 2 inprove workabilty and bone, i admire him 4 going his own way on this, but reading through these threds i can see why he has. he is a true lover of the breed, and does test his dogs on what i call real quarry, so if theres a weeknes u inprove it. and on the subject of a working terrier, can anyone DIFINE what a working terrier actually does, and how WORKER is earned. pesonaly i like the plummer 4 what it was bred 4,RATTING
sounds like a man after my own heart,out of intrest what does he cross them with? yeah, the bitching between various clubs is idiotic,we should fight the enemies of hunting/fieldsports and not each other.I think ill start the continuity P.T.A lol. I crossed pitbull into my own dogs and am very satisfied with how its gone(if your mate ever wants to use a half or 3/4 bred stud (free) ,give me a shout.These are serious digging dogs ,the half breds came about 28-30 lbs but have no trouble getting down most holes,the 3/4 breds are only young but showing all the right signs and are the size of any other plummer.
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About 2 years back i bred a plummer bitch(who was out of a plummer bitch from legion sired by nine) to an american pitbull terrier.Two of the pups were rednosed yellow/green eyes.this colour is recessive>>>2 explanations A: Brian added apbt or "irish" staff blood
B:the colouring came from chocolate fell back the way
The father of my original plummer bitch was tricoloured and was bred by a Mr johnson or johnston in wales.
She was definitely the best worker ive seen of any terrier(and i rarely hunt rats or rabbits).
Ive heard over here in ireland ,that a lot of them wont work,,Maybe theres some bad lines here but i had no probs with mine,
I bred her to a full plummer as well and the pup i kept was a little slow to start(c.18 months) but took off after that.
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Does anybody in ireland have/work jagd terriers.I saw one advertised in buy n sell a few years back ,never enquired about it.Ive never seen one in the flesh.Also maybe some members from eastren europe could tell us about the field trials over there.what is required? is it a good game test for a dog?.Genetically they are probably very similar to some strains of fell terrier,just been seperated by geography and function? for 90 odd year.Maybe they would be a good cross over a small patterdale bitch.
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I think it was Bala terriers.
balla is a town in mayo if that helps.Ive heard of them but never seen them,i recall seeing balla x plummers advertised somewhere a few years back(in england).Ive never seen or heard of one over here in ireland though (extinct??)
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hi all, im john from limerick ireland,im new on this forum.i keep a few terriers and greyhounds .love the website.thanks
breeding from a none worker
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if a dog is going to throw he will throw.Working dosent purify his balls or anything.There are so many working lurchers about that i cant see the point in using one that isnt
re.greyhounds ,maybe they were injured badly as pups/saplings.in australia the hall of fame bitch "highly blessed"threw f.all but her shite sister wee sal threw champions as did her daughter.
only god knows in the end of the day-a lot of luck involved with any litter