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run him on a long check cord for a while and when he starts to chase give it a good tug and turn him over ,run over to where he is ,carry him by the scruff of the neck back to where he started chasing(giving him a shake now and again,) and make him stay there.THis lesson might have to be repeated several times depending on how headstrong the dog is
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TODAY THREE BRITISH SOLDIERS WERE GUNNED DOWN IN COLD BLOOD ,
BY A REBEL AFGAN IN A SOLDIERS UNIFORM WHAT CHANCE
DID ARE LADS HAVE , THE DIRTY SCUM MUSLIM LOW
LIFE TURNED ON THEM AS THE SET OUT ON
PATROL , GET ARE LADS OUT AND LET THE
PLACE GO BACK TO THE MIDDLE AGES , LET THEM
AND THE REST OF THE MUSLIM SCUM SORT THEM
SELVES OUT ,
Tom Barrys book must have been translated into urdu .this type of tactic is as old as war itself(enemy masquerading as friend).If the afgahnis want to be ruled by primitives who think weather forecasting is witchcraft ,leave them at it...Ill bet none of tony blairs sons served out there
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Influenza and smallpox did a fairly good job on the indiginous population of America,wonder what they think about white Europeans moving in and stealing their country? probably much the same as you do about Mexicans.
As a Native American, I can tell you the Europeans didn't do anything that we hadn't already been doing. Had a poor crop this year ? Let's head North take it from the Iroquois . Fishing in our area not great . Who cares !! Head East and take grounds from the Cherokee.
It's all relative.....nobody is a "true" Native.
As the Elders used to say,"An intelligent man recognizes a superior opponet."
Do 2 wrongs make a rights then Aaron? Tribal feuds are commonplace all over the world,when you look at history theres allways one group trying to take something that belongs to the next tribe/country/village,its just how it is.I think theres a big difference between that and what The Europeans did regarding America.
And to complicate things further its now thought the ancestors of your people came from Europe,apparently they made their way from the coast of France on the edge of the ice pack during the last ice age,supposedly the Innuits arent far removed from these early people even today,as the population grew they moved southwards populating America,the population "bottlenecked" at one point and the gene pool reduced before increasing again,unfortunatly this reduced gene pool caused the diabetic gene in the females to be passed on to a greater number of people on the other side of the bottleneck,hence the large number of diabetic native indians.
At one time we all came from Africa,and if you want to go back further we would be monkeys fighting over a good fruit bearing tree with the monkeys next door,but i think 25,000 yrs of occupation means the land should belong to your people,instead of israel.
How is fixing the problem of illegal immigration adressing 2 wrongs and a right ?
That's a really bizarre theory on high instances of diabetes ....sure it couldn't be the high obesity and alcoholism rates prevalent with many groups ?
The first wrong is they are here illegaly they came here intending on breaking that law and the second wring is they are working illegally - that's if they work for every one that is a worker there are 9 more leading a more active life of crime by smuggling drugs & slaves , prostitutution rings ect .... Thats right only about ten percent of the 12 million illegals are willing to work the rest are criminals or attached to anchor babies and living of wellfare (govt assistance)..... The list of wrongs is very long ... I can't believe the US/Mexico border is still so porous......And there is nothing wrong with rounding up criminal illegal aliens and deporting them ..... It should be the expected coarse of action for the authorities..... Tinytiger you are way off base when you state that the illegal aliens are no better than yanks....
only winding you up
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Influenza and smallpox did a fairly good job on the indiginous population of America,wonder what they think about white Europeans moving in and stealing their country? probably much the same as you do about Mexicans.
it would be quite ironic if the towelheads wipe out the yanks with smallpox.Another bunch of religious extremists(the jesuits) were insrumental in exterminating the indians (giving them infected blankets,coats etc).At the end of the day no yank is any better than any illegal mexican-all ye had to do to get your precious citizenship was slither out of your mothers box>ACCIDENT OF BIRTH...That smug smart arse c*nt driving the car should be kicked to death and fed to hungry illegal immigrants
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THE PUREBERD CAN STAND ALONE AND HAVE PROVEN TO SINCE QUITE CONSDIERBALY WELL HERE THEY HAVE. Translation?
The adtition of outcross blood to the eptr regiter was a polictal move only. If, as you have claimed, there were enough "pures" to perpetuate and improve on,why allow "new blood" onto your register at all? What "political" motive? It seems hypocritical to pour scorn on them yet allow them to be registered IMO.
I believe Brian was referring to the f1/f2 re; doubling. Obviously line breeding is required to fix desired traits, but this can be achieved relatively quickly with dogs of similar type eg. terriers rather than completely different types,say collie x terrier.
Talk of percentages is all very well to a point, but certain individuals may display homozygosity regardless of the percentage of geniality.
Politics..we accepted the new blood as i believed at the time we had no choice if we were going to get the breed registered every move made by any club would be blocked by norma and the so called club ..PTCGB..However subsequently things have moved on and we are now in a different spot.
The Kc cant forever listen to individuals and unstructured minorities over the majority's.
Breeding wise linebreeding fixing traits (most common stratergy of breeders of livestock) ,,etc yes but . you have completly lost me with..
"Talk of percentages is all very well to a point, but certain individuals may display homozygousity regardless of the percentage of geniality...NEVER HEARD THIS PHRASE BEFORE "percenrtage of geniality "IN GENETCIS CAN YOU ENLIGHTEN ME.
Surely the amount, the % of "common kin blood " and the ( coe of inbreedimg) "F" value reduces heterozygosity and increase homozygosity..well it does in all my books so far!
Wiki gives us this..
"The probability that two alleles at a given locus are identical by descent. ie The extent to which an individual is more likely to be homozygous rather than heterozygous because of related parents "
"Heritability can be made larger by diversifying the genetic background, e.g., by using only very outbred individuals which increases the Variance"
Withot going into breeding plans..and arguieng what is and isnt the best breedimng plan .. I simply have illustrated to those that have these outcross blooded animals that none of the aims can be claimed to have been reached. IMO.
If they had they would have been documented and proven beyond doubt in the ten years they have been about. When the epts application goes to the KC I have no choice but to produce and sourrender my theories on the subject . Having seen many generations of pureberds and have documented their rise and the ailments they possess. Justifying brians last atempt "have his way" will be at the very least taxing...without the fruits of his ideas and not his labours, for all to be seen.
Good informative posts there EPTR, I think that stormyboy (correct me if im wrong SB) was trying to say that sometimes breedings dont pan out according to the percentages,i.e they may throw to an ancestor of the dog that you are trying to duplicate,or by some twist of fate seemingly inherit nothing from a signifigant ancestor and be a replica in all ways of some less signifigant one.A good example would be the greyhound "slaneyside Hare"
who was considered by many (due to type/variety of pups,their temperments etc.) to be the reincarnation of his great ,great grandfather "Monalee champion" ,who also occurred once a generation further back on his damline (9.4% altogether)>hardly inbred to him.
My own outcross bitch jazz (12.5% bull via nine) seemingly brought nothing from her bull ancestor appearance wise yet threw a"purebred " plummer daughter nearly twice her size.The mating i did twixt her and the 55lb pitbull revealed just how hetrozygous she was(carrying rednosed red,chocolate,tricolour,brindle,classic plummer markings ) .The mating between her plummer marked half sibling offspring produced all plummer marked pups (5).
I didnt get papers with her when i got her-hopefully i might bump into her breeder at a game fair over the summer and find out the rest of her breeding(shes R.I.P now),as a worker, ive seen harder ,more punishing dogs of various breeds(owned a few) but nothing ever sent the shivers up and down my spine like watching her work.Ill try and get a picture that i could post(any would be on my ex fiancees digital camera>so possibly not the easiest thing for m,e to aquire.)
A.t.b john
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almost unbelievable except I realise the bunch of pricks that have wormed their way in there - do have many bitches bud?
7 (4 greyhounds and 3 terriers)
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it was passed with hardly any amendments
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well lads the protest has been canclled as brian cowen has agreed to go into talks with rise on hunting dogs been excempt from bill via an admendment once bill is passed, hopefully he'll stick to his word this time.the bill we need to watch for is the animal rights bill the greens are trying to bring in end of year, y.i.s, sionnach
I got the same message from RiSe.A big mistake if you ask me,its written into the dog breeders bill that the minister of the environment can make amendments to it (without consultation) after its been signed into law.Fianna Fail have already shown that they have no problem with their own grandparents and parents turning in their graves.They are desperate to hold on to power at any cost. Divide and conquer is what they are playing at-last friday greyhounds were taken out of the bill and placed under the remit of the minister for agriculture-appeased ,now theyve taken the steam out of the horsie/hound/hunting crowd.....Nobody speaking up for terrier/lurcher enthuasiasts..The inspectors under this dog breeders bill will be antis_(animal charity workers)
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well lads I've been and bought a plummer bitch 18 mts old today to start my line of worker's from,she's done nothing so far so is a blank sheet of paper for me,I will keep you posted on her progress with pics and reports,atb,wirralman
best of luck with her
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Posts like "hack their hands off" and "all thieves should be shot" will really solve the problem.
The fact is dogs are stolen for 2 different reasons.
1. There is a steady market in dogs by dog swappers who don't care where or who the dog came about.
2. Then there are the type of folk who want a particular dog for work or breeding and will do whatever it takes to get it.
IMO the first kind of thief is usually of the traveller type (I make no apologies) and anyone who buys dogs of scumbag types without asking questions is just as guilty.
The second type is usually brought on by jealousy and the fact that they can't breed one themselves and this sort will often give a lowlife a few pounds to steal the dog for him. This is how the English dogthief that lived over here before going to the continent used to do it.
This type of lowlife will usually rob someone of years of hardwork and planning.
I've had a few friends and know plenty more who've had their prides and joys stolen. Some lads never get over it, some do.
But in nearly ALL cases the victim has had the piece of shit in the yard before hand. Wether they've had pups for sale or a dog at stud or don't care who they hunt with the scum have had a chance to case the place.
Out walking your dogs and being followed is a favourite method of our travelling friends.
Sadly a lot of dog men see dog stealing as part and parcel of the game.
Sad but very true,you can trust no one these days(well not many).Its a problem thats getting worse as well I.M.O .Ive had 5 dogs stolen in the last 3 years (2 terriers and 3 greyhounds)
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the kerry beagle is a harrier. plenty of em around ireland.
they were originally some kind of french hound i believe (nothing to the english harrier)
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used to follow the scarteens on foot when i was a young fellow.Brilliant hounds,ive heard of epic hunts from old fellows around here(i think it was in the guinness book of records at one stage)
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what are peoples opinions on line breading,is there any bad points.ive just bought a 4year old dog thats out of tina and ive been told by the man that welpt them that lucky was the father.
Im not familiar with the dogs pedigrees,how close is the breeding?.A popular cross in coursing greyhounds is son of a daughter to a daughter of a son to a particular dog whose traits your trying to reproduce.
Closely bred dogs can be a bit highly strung /wild but not always.A plus side to them is that they can often breed better than themselves.
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Some lads in the eighties bid over £1000 for plummers because they were good working lines ...some are still good working earth dogs ..but due to the amount of plummers being bred they are cheaper.
I've given dogs away many many times, and asked for returns in the future but the owners never oblidge..so now everyone but the closet of friends pay..and if they want another (which is the norm) and the owners become reliable and trustworthy then they usualy do very well from me.
Infact one bitch and a dog are going for free to ireland as a promise i made months ago..
Check out countrymans for the prices of some mongrol lurchers..nuf said!
i can gaurantee you that no genuine digging man in ireland(i mean genuine,not the rest)would have a plummer dog in their yard.they never have or will stick the pace of long digs of many hours over many seasons.they maybe fine to kill a few rats and hunt some cover but they are not working dogs.
ive had plummers to ground 4,5, hours.They have an awful name over here in ireland so there must be some shite ones knocking about.I got mine from a guy in ballinasloe co.galway-best 200euro i ever spent.Unfortunately she got run over by my brother in the yard about a year back.I bred two litters out of her one pure and one by a game bred pitbull,none were sold,2 were nicked,1 got parvo and the others are in the same parish as me.As for the nicked ones ,they were very distinctively marked and should i ever come accross someone walking them at a game fair etc. he wont be having a very nice day(*shooting,hanging,drowning,castration is too good for dog thieves)
I had an ad on donedeal selling 3/4 bred plummer pups and honestly ive never spoken to so many spastics and timewasters in my life-its maybe fourteen years since the last time i advertised working terriers (things have changed).Also one has to be very careful what you say(certain i had a call from an anti/undercover type). I think 150 to 250 euro is a fair price for well bred terrier pub whose both parents are good workers.
to Glenn: out of curiosity how much would a wyremead pup set someone back? Id believe it about that nine week old pup -my 2 pups are the same.Also i met a guy from mayo a few years back
with a real nice plummer dog,that i think came from you ,Brendan was his first name i think(had the marks of a dog that had seen plenty)
I think most people who knock them have never owned one,sure their creator told a few tall tales,semi truths and porkie pies in his books-I.M.O thats irrelevant to the dogs he bred.(vincent van gough was a nutcase but he drew some nice pictures)
how old was she when she was run over mate
about 5
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Murphys law being what it is ,youll probably end up "giving swimming lessons" to the best pups in the litter.To my mind the word cull has a kind of selectivity inherent in it. i.e removing an adult dog from the genepool because its sh1t.As somebody said earlier dont count your chickens before they hatch.
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i guess nobody own 1 or work 1,is their no such breed
maybe its the name of a strain or a kennel club prefix
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and if you click on canid hybrids it takes you to this page.i rest my case
http://en.wikipedia....ki/Canid_hybrid
SPECIES not BREED
Tinytiger im not being pedantic about this, you mentioned breeding for hybrid vigour which if you do know anything about genetics you ARENT doing.dont call one thing by the name of another, anyone who doesnt know anything about genetics reading your post will believe what you are saying whereas anyone who does know anything about genetics and dog breeding will of course know different.its wrong to put things like this in the public domain as thats how myths and misinformation start.before you know it every numpty reading this will be quoting you and saying ive crossed my russell with a plummer cos im breeding for hybrid vigour!
tell us all about it so,its a phenomenon thats immediaely apparant in newborn pups..look at the olympic decathalon CHAMPIONS,Daley Thompson,Dan o Brien,brian clay>ALL HALF CASTE,basically what your saying is offspring that dont come from parents of completely diffefent species are incapable of coming more vigorous/better than either parent>why do people who do fen coursing use saluki/greyhounds? Vigor.Why are crossbred hounds used throughout the whole world.
Your so smart ,you have to be a MANPANZEE.<a href="http://s905.photobuc...ent=pups030.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i905.photobuc...tos/pups030.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
f2 plummer/pitbull Hybrids,crossbreeds,mongrels whatever you want to call them,Lets not be pedantic
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thanks half n half, intra-specific hybrid thats the one. Wippydoo:theres no point getting bogged down with semantics ,I KNOW WHAT I MEAN AND SO DO YOU.-words are only sounds people put meaning to and have nothing to do with how your dog performs
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i read much about breeders crossing their dogs in order to produce hybrid vigour and it really gets my goat when this is quoted.HYBRID vigour only occurs when two SPECIES are crossed ie a horse and donkey not two members of the same species.
why have the last 9 or 10 english and irish greyhound derby winners been first cross australian x irish/english bloodlines.I get what you are trying to say but the same rules apply, just to a lesser extent than with mules. I.M.O both sides need to be fairly inbred(and good) to get it.
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use your teeth...lol(not joking though-i.m.o best way to dock a pup)
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more badgers around than any time i remember,,eating nests of baby rabbits?
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Id use the bull on a russell type rather than a fell/lakeland/patterdale.some of the best working terriers ive seen were bull/russels of various descriptions.I think the fell types are hard enough as it is.
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Whether dog was eleven years old or not that video showed nothing at all to convince anyone.It just done what any other dog would do but in slow motion!
Yes I made this video for myself & for manchester terrier breeders to what i was putting back into there dogs as they had lost it in there breeding, I know my bitch didn`t do anything that any well bred lurcher wont do, but you try and get a 100% manchester to do. not a chance, but they have a good look that i wanted in my line.
I started my old bitch at 6 months with my old bedlingto ferreting rabbits, at 15 months she was lamping rabbits, at 2years + she was a single handed hare dog, no word of a lie. The best I had.
We and went coursing alot at that time with the "Puckeridge Coursing Club" and The Fat Ladies Coursing Club ask them what my old dog was like.
its not hard to put that black and tan look in your line, at-least you will know your dogs will end up in a good home 9 times out of 10.
Just put a black and tan over a your best bitch then keep a nice looking pup back, put that back to a black & Tan lurcher manchester again and you will have a cracking litter pups and your line.
Do you have the time, the first cross manchester lurchers are good for foxing by lamp.
You could put a doberman over her too,easier to find and probably no worse.
Thats it my last post, good by and be lucky.
PS this photo was my 100% manchester, he went back to there club 2 years on and good riddens!
You could put a doberman over her for the same effect,probably no worse as workers and would be easier to find.
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whats is the point in breeding mad kind of lurcher lyk poodle lurchers and other stupid things why not stick to the original type of lurchers lyk deerhound greys, saluki geys, colli greys, beddy grey, bull greys and your basic lurcher cross lurcher some people just make you laugh at some of the stuff they come out with on this web site
Yes stick to the original type of lurchers lyk Manchester terriers breed from the old english black & tan by crossing to whippets for rabbiting, rating, and taking fox.
who needs all these new breeds saluki geys, colli greys, beddy grey, bull greys and your basic lurcher cross lurcher these people just make you laugh ! ££££££££££££
A quotation from Bewicks book The General History of Quadrupeds, published in 1790 confirms the continued existence of the type and states “There are two types of terrier, one being smooth and sleek, beautifully formed, reddish brown or black in colour with tanned legs, and is similar to the rough terrier in disposition and faculties but smaller in size, strength and hardiness.
Daniel in his 1802 book Rural Sports writes about “Types of terriers which are elegant and sprightly, with smooth coats black in body and tanned on the leg".
The "Small black and tan terriers" were working dogs, used to kill rats. Those of a larger type were also used to work larger prey such as foxes.
The Kennel Club has placed Manchester Terriers on its list of 'Vulnerable Native Breeds', because the number of registrations is low. As a result breed enthusiasts have been encouraging anyone with a Manchester Terrier to breed a litter to increase the numbers.
the dogs reffered to in the books above,would be more similar to the fell types of today than the dogs you are breeding.
Badger cull bites the dust
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hi carraghsgem,i heard that as well and thought it was only a tall tale,.The good old green party again -practical as ever..I wonder how they think its going to be done..probably they think the badger is an endangered species(im hunting the same fields since i was 8 or nine years of age and can never remember as many about)