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Sorry wirrelly but i dont beleive a single word you say about your dogs ( i was told to expect this in the pms ) Like plummer said theres no such thing as a wise old man ..and this phrase seems more than apt here.Dogs getting nicked no pickys of the heroic dogs ..no nothing all gone in one swoopp..foolish man then...and one i certainly would avoid selling a decent dog to. Now if id been breeding a line for 25years id be pretty chuffed of my work and make sure that I had lads with my stock about (like toka your one and only request for work) ...So perhaps you thought they were'
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LOl yes brian was a friend who distanced himself when his ideas were questioned, not only be myself but many others who basically saw through his thin veneer.cant say i was disappointed or missed the lectures on how do dodge the critics like thee. No direction.. Lol what after 20 years of producing workers with up teen generations under the kennels belt...whatever ..whirly man. Welsby terrier ..never heard that before doh ! It seems that considering your mature age you seem you lack the knowledge to keep a line going .gypsies lolpull the other one .. by the time you have anything b
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Depression ..id say not.. as i new him for 2o years and found him always chirpy on the phone (sometimes three times aday) and in person ..he was as about depressd as any man can get..who can't cope with others views. Manic nope or very well hidden. His lurchers merab and pheadra i hunted with and have vidoes they were good but then were they were if they couldnt self enter and do well in caithness then it was a poor do. My own lurcher was equal if not better as it was true allrounder were DBPS inbreds were fox shy! Many times we ferrtetd and took 30 or 40 and missed hundreds. But the
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Your not alone hiding..on here ..many do I choose not to as ive nowt to hide! As for answering your daft question and showing recogntion as i said credit where its due..as for "whos bred the most working terriers between myself and plummer"...plummer owned and bred f1 and f2s no more than 5 generations in any pedigree before we see other breeds ..were they a breed back then? ..certainly not ...working terriers who knows at a guess id say Brian for shear average through massive numbers ...But they weren't a breed.IMO So did he own plummer terriers as a breed?..or did he start a b
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Credit where its due Bill not with you tho.."those selling plummers under his name etc etc" ..having ago again Bill ..if you dont like someones opinion then turn yopuir computer off . ..curits was in my opiinion the one man that I considered a lifeline for the type back then until he got greedy the rest is history ..IMO Plummer yes a very intesreting man born liar and fraudster and a laugh a minute but IMO ..keyrolos another coco the clown and fame seeker without the work being put in...fool again IMO All IMO which will be freely voiced, and if it ofends so be it. Free country
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If you don't belive me ask toka, i belive you are aquainted and ...he sees the places i work. If i could see into the future as you seem to think i should be able to by "knowing my ground"..all 10mile of river system and the edge of 45acres of lake ..and could predict eaxctly where quarry would be then the pup would be left in kennels ..but seeing as i cant i let them self hunt. I have enetered and retrianed many terriers the owners names would mean nothing to anyone on here esepcliy you, and dont real;;y giev a stuff what you seem to think.You seem to hide behind this wirrel man
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Well said. those selling dogs off the back of that fact would do well to remember it before slagging the man. Like fireman says it could be argued that plummer gave them up..surely the clubs and breeders are responsible for the maiantance as plummer never actuly produced any terriers after may 1997 and and of the two one was crippled. Infact in all the time I knew him he bred less than you did bill!...He was happy to let others carry on and without one iowata of advise...untill HE ALONE decided that all who had treid hard to maintain the "type " and defened the "type" back t
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Perhaps i should elaborate for you wirral as you seem to allege that i knowingly entered a 12week old pup into a mink holt. Which as you say could ruin her and would also be illegal... My youngsters come with me most days on my rounds and this particular youngster is very keen, to enter scrub and bush unlike other breeds of the same age. So when we have a trip around my lake most days , the pack comes along. usualy as an indicater by marking as this time. Now seeing as this pup will keep up easily she will follow and even heads them sometimes into the brambles around the edge which c
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This is a picture of my 12week old bitch pup 2weeks ago coming out of a tree root system on my lake edge after a mink was marked by the pack she went in amongst the meley between the legs of the pack unfortunatly she is always in the thick of it..the mink bolted in the water and dived.. the bubbles were seen and the pack removed. As they had done there bit marking the holes. The water level has droped by over 18inches and now the edge of the lake is one big tree root system heaven for mink . We are yet to catch up with the mink so a evening stroll with a single terrier and airrifle is due.
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Think you'l find curtis spread the word to everyone about that story including father christman jacko!..I question most things from liars ..both of the above have been caught out. The dvd is of plummer himself saying what he put in the breed ..guess what ive yet to call him back as no doubt he wants to be come a millionair on our expense.So much for "doing it for the breed"..
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Curtis had good fortune as did the breed and the clubs i certainly had fortune form but always said to plummer he should have given barad to me not Proteus as she was wasted..Curtis and Brian did well from the club! ..until he got cut off! by his own doings ...and went and used a parson/white fell. yes apparently he tied them to the gates of his bungalow which housed a piggery but is now now a massive stable block owned by a policeman.. 10miles from me ..but on reflection i don't believe this from Curtis either...in fact i believe very little from either plummer or Curtis now and the r
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yes pointer, you're right,we can all only speak on what we see with our own eye's,I can't speak for the rest of Curtis's line's being good earth dogs and I have no doubt's that what duckwing say's is his own experience,that is why this forum remains so interesting,it is read by many,across a vast public domain,all with an input on the way they've seen and done it,long may it continue,good honest experience's and opinions are alway's welcomed for healthy debate on the future of our dogs and sport,yis,wirralman If it wasnt for cutis good furtune of plummer giving him the 12 dogs there
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THATS BECAUSE HE OUTCROSSED TO PARSONS YEARS AGO HE STOPPED BREEDING PUREBREDS YEARS AGO... THE REASON WHY HE WOULDNT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH CLUBS IS HE WANTED TO OUTCROSS BUT WAS ALLWAYS WANTING HOMES FOR HIS PUPS AS WERE ALL THE HOMELESS WHO BENEFIT FROM OUR ADVERTISING ...MONEY MONEY MONEY GRABBERS.
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nobody will ever know for sure,only curtis as the breeder can know the truth. i must admit that breeding that rough coated bitch had me thinking,then i heard the rumour of masks breeding BUT as with all conspiracy theories theres a glitch. If mask was was out of quest,then mated to his own mother how could the resulting litter have been one black,two tan and one shatter marked.All smooth coated and infact if anything tighter coated than mask/alice offspring.surely one of the pups would have been rough coated. Like you say who nows ...unless you know the pedigree of quest then the a
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Nope we didnt as my hands were a lttle tired (having no spades) and she and it was about 6 inchs out of reach ..see were training a dog pup called. Ned the six month old pup (i bred)..from a previuose litter from ben found the hole and so before we got there both were to ground ...Ned was eventualy lost "at our mutual friends place" with his aunty gaffle who turned up later in a barn..the pup never returned "our mutual friend" new the spot were they had gone in..suggest you ask him the rest!. TRAPPING AND RELLEASING MINK is illegal by the way... some lads our always asking me for a tr
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dd is a double dilution gene makes them pale nsoed ..no black but turns tans choclaote and then liver and then fawn.as you dilute.
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Sorry to have missed this one but not ignored, wondered what bill was on about my sincere apologies, mark. Vandal, was he a Plummer with 28% vampire blood a halfbred jrt.? Plummer.. he and others then for PR purposes was named plummer terriers as were so many but they were not true breeding enough to be called a breed...others bred more true as well...but then when you consider vandals pedigree, how could they have been when the fathers sire was crossbred and the rest of the pedigree mongrelized. Offspirng from vandal sometimes resembled other breeds a sign of homozygosity . AS DID MANY
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Well like i said i may be wrong but he was known to be a little untruthfull. hnece our friondship dies raopid when plujmmer grassed him up to me. By the way he did many linebreedings to son mother extra.Infact I owned one a double rocky bred bitch ,called ruby from summerbird .
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Lamped rats 4 nights a week for 4 years with my pack of 6 plummers at a fish processing factory...years ago mind..and then weekend nights lamped foxes with them never caught any but got real close many times ace fun . Rabbits yep many times and caugt the sqauatters..nealy had a little owl to when it sat on a golf coaurse once that was real close lol.
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Arrr did you get any wiered liver colours? as mask was a dd and jack was a tri..
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] I may well be wrong pionter but i recall at the time cp was getting depserate and the quote below from the bible that cp had and nobody else did .. ...says alot . I did mention to him that he had never used Quest ..turns out he had and had terrible results, and would never elaberate! You will need a replacement for Rocky ~ I would choose one of his inbred daughters: Alice, Nyad perhaps but be careful about the use of the puppy from the chocolate Fellf1 ...You are risking deformities of the teeth mating this dog to Firebird’s puppies It then shows an ilustration of a rocky over
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Both parents mask x alice eh..now that is interesting 42.9% inbred 39.1% rollo (f1) and 6.3% san bad coats but in my eyes not that type of coat texture..mmm looks like the coat that raggy doll had who was i belive related to quest who i think ...i recall cp saying was the dam of mask..there was always a debate over the pedigree of mask in my eyes. this type of inbreeding to quest would not only produce pale noses but lillty coats to in 25% of the offspring...the plot thickens. Must say i agree with you about the coats the show plummers are fine and smooth ..mine being kenneld ou
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Pointer I can say that I've never seen a Plummer with a coat like that. I have videos of some of Genas (brian bred her and called her jael) pups one looked similar to the pale nosed lilty coated one on the left. The right one looks more typical of todays stuff. Gena produced very few good coated terriers from what i saw when she was up here but those that were good coats inhertited it from her sire side...infact most of the good ones resmebled his conformation. Rough/loose coats are a no no in plummers now..well that is untill someone says they should be rough coated and wacks a loa
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Sorry to have missed this one but not ignored, wondered what bill was on about my sincere apologies, mark. Vandal, was he a Plummer with 28% vampire blood a halfbred jrt.? Plummer.. he and others then for PR purposes was named plummer terriers as were so many but they were not true breeding enough to be called a breed...others bred more true as well...but then when you consider vandals pedigree, how could they have been when the fathers sire was crossbred and the rest of the pedigree mongrelized. Offspirng from vandal sometimes resembled other breeds a sign of homozygosity . AS DID MANY
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Such language.terrible....and ...its "WELSBY" now is it ..ooowww :sick: . Insults at your dogs where? are they insults or do you not like the truthfull facts? MOSSMAN If you take the facts as insults then tough...some take facts on the chin (i have done a few times) and work around them like we (us dedicated breeders of the clubs ) had to do and get on and try and mend what was broken..not give in and cry and shout and swear when someone pionts them out, in due course. Whats with the upper case shouting lol give it a rest . As for answers about .."when exactly does a plu
