Thanks for the good advice, This is what I have brought to try out: Gamebore Mammoth 3 1/2'' shot 1 42grams steel, Gamebore TMX 2 1/2'' shot 5 32grams iron/tungsten mix, Remington nitro-steel magnum 3'' shot 1 35grams and Remington sportsman hi-speed steel 3 1/2'' shot 2 39grams, Hopefully I will find one or two that I like, cheers. Ben