Thanks very much for the advice chaps,the above was a innocent post chaps,the guys i were also ferreting with today and the time before were also newbies to the ferreting game,we tried to find the ferret several times but to no luck,gutted is not the word i'm devastated at loosing my ferret,the land we worked them on one of the guys lives there so he said he's going to try and find it,as i say i'm a newbie and find comments such as calling me an ass no use what so ever. thanks again to the member i'm quoting as its the most useful post on this topic. I shall do my homework before i venture out