Guys, thanks for the feedback some food for thought there. It's a good point when you say it's all relative. This bitch will be required to lamp and ferret only, if she's capable of doing that with the usual collie nouse I'll be a happy bunny. I'll also be very happy when the lenght of those stumpy legs are in proportiom with her long bak. If she comes good I will post some before and after photo's incase anyone else is going through the same anguish.