there u go again, corki john, speculating, were do u get the old from. this was a good thread, but as usual thers always 1 who likes to bring the tone down. i see u was busy all winter on the keypap. think most terrier lads was out doing a bit of work wi there terriers, sorry if i offended u.but like i said theres plenty jps stuff out there, unless were all kidding ourselfs, (NOT )