Firstly I was not aware that anyone had said that training a dog was wrong nor are the feats you boast of really that difficult to achieve IF a man thought them necessary skills that they wanted in THEIR dog, baseline is a matter of choice and not essential to achieve this level of obedience, if you can train a dog you can train a dog, regardless of breed.secondly if any individual wants no more from their animal than a point and slip type surely that is wholly up to them.finally the issue of training dogs wasn't what was wrong with this topic, your arrogant egotistical and condescending mann