hes on about taking it bushing not digging, two completly different games for the dog.. and as for the no dogs in the line on a so called posh shoot, , id have a heart attack if my squad of beaters turned up dog less, same as i would if some ones terrier ran into the flushing point chasing a bunnies.... and while im on the subject i aint seen meany labs or spanials that can pick up one day and beat the next but your right enough if the keeper dont mind then go for it, but pound to a penny says i know what his answer will be once a dog fucks one of his drives no matter what sort of sho