the litter that was in the cmw, i know the lass who owns the sire to them. she took a pup on. its turned into quite a good looking dog. quik pace well set slight rough jacket, im sure the fellow that bred them MW will write about them as he kept 1 or 2 back and im sure his plan is to breed a 1/4cross. theres also one down south thats already doing the business on all game. so all in all it cant be bad.