on the subject of permission, i live not to far from sheffield, and try as i might i can't get permission. i don't even mention dogs, just ask for permission to ferret, and hope to get a foot in the door. but alas to no avail. I've taken up drystone walling as a bargaining tool, 2 years fecking hard work in all weathers, still no joy. Around this area we seem plagued by real rural crime like landrover and quad thefts, so they seem to think if they don't let people on their land, they cut down the risks. which you can't blame them for that, but what do you do? give the game up completely? there