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A good old girl that will never be fully retired. I couldn't stand to see the look in her eye if she never got to hunt.
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Great line of dogs with allot of grit..... I bet they do you proud. She's a nice one!
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Great looking pups Baily!
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Good post CorkeyJohn. My hat's off to you.
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I can be Corkey..... No question about it. But you seem to have a problem with simple logic. Money isn't responisble for ruining dogs.... lazy is. The fact that people in general hunt less is also part of the reason there are fewer good dogs than they used to be. I've had pups gifted that were as good as anything..... but that isn't what made them good. Moseby, Fat man, and Stig all made valid points..... If you only hunt free dogs so be it. I have absolutely no problem paying for a dog. It's a nice thought Corkey.... but the evidence doesn't support your claim.
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Here they go to ground early and stay permenently. The right price for a pup is the one you paid for the dog that lives up to it's expectations. If you find yourself wondering if it is worth the price... it's probably not. And any pup... free or otherwise will give you plenty of opportunity to determine it's worth, and that of the man who bred it. The notion that a price tag or lack of is a determinent of quality is stupid. I've given terriers to guys I know that let them sit in a kennel until they thought they were old enough to engage game, and listened to them wonder why they wouldn't enter
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Sorry to hear it. R.I.P. Jack
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They are the best I've ever seen and I've seen more than a few. Who are the parents?
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No you pretty much hit the nail on the head. When we free cast dogs they can pick up a pretty cold track. When they do they sound off. When they straighten it out and get to the coon or whatever the job description is the same as yours unless it trees in which case the voice is a big plus too. The only time I want them to bay is on hogs. Some will some won't. Those that don't die. But on small game they anchor it until it can be dispatched or they do it themselves. I haven't seen where voice affects the amount of game I get with possible exception of hogs and even then it depends on the area a
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Great pictures Mosby. Did you end up with Sammy? With most jagds you have to get their attention and keep it when they are pups. Otherwise they will just do what their DNA tells them to and ignore you until feed time. Most hunters think they want the hardest dogs... but soon learn it gets expensive going to the vet after every hunt. Even moderately hard terriers can cost a sheet ton of money... and can't be hunted very often. For the people that need them nothing else will do... But for most it's unnecessary. @Pitdawg913.... Most people that breed a litter of jagds do so with the h
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Well said Vitaliy13... Credit also goes to the folks who have maintained and improved the dogs to hunt in their particular region. That's a nice looking bitch by the way.
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I'm gonna say this and I'm done with it. I haven't said that anyone shouldn't breed what works best for what they do. I'm not here buying... or selling pups. I know what this next statement will provoke but here it goes.... There isn't a well regarded jagdterrier breeder in the world that would breed an undershot dog. They are culled from the breeding pool immediately... no exceptions... ever.... under any circumstances. This is tradition with the breed and it has been since it's inception. It hasn't in any way affected their working ability or turned them into show dogs. I haven't
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Main... I'll answer your questions even though it appears you missed mine. I did say that I've had undershot dogs that did as well as any.... I went on to say that they seemed to do best when they had something to push against that helped them readjust or reinforce their grip. Most of these were bulldogs. I chose not to elaborate hoping instead you would read between the lines. I've also had undershot catch dogs. They sucked. Every single one of them. I have discussed dogs that I've bred and how they are working out with you. I distictly remember stating that I was hoping for a particular
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I'm not here hocking pups Bobby, and I can assure that I never will be. I don't mind taking advantage of someoone else's hard work.... and I believe I ought to give credit where it is due. That said.... these guys aren't breeding allot of dogs. One maybe two litters a year. They sell them..... but not based off of what some dumb red neck in Texas thinks of them. What survives their culling is gone before they draw their first breath. Of-course they have influenced my breeding program. And for that I am grateful. I'm not "in it" as you say... to please anyone other than myself. I'm a hu
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So in your experience an undershot terrier holds on as well as anything else on open ground with an animal several times it's size as it attempts to escape? How many times have you risked your own well being as well as that of the dog on it's ability to hold on as you tied or killed the animal? I have seen undershot dogs that held on especially when they had something to push against and reinforce or help them readjust their grip. I am curious as to how many you've seen take an ear or a skin hold of an animal that was much bigger and control the animal to the degree that you were able to sudue
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With all due respect it's not a wild canidae argument at all. It's about bite. Nature selected the bite that works best for holding game. Nothing says everyone has to agree or breed dogs this way. I'll breed dogs this way because I've seen the advantage. I've seen undershot dogs that were outstanding animals. But I've also seen them not be able to hang on as well as the rest. When I see a high number of dogs with bad bites that do as well as an equal number of dogs that are right.... I might change my mind. But I go with what I know.....and what works for what I do. I seen no reason to
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I've never been to a dog show in my life.......or bred with the hope of getting some ribbon. I will cull undershot dogs from my breeding program because it can hinder performance. If from a litter of six dogs I can only expect two workers.....I would cull the parents. Culling obviously doesn't stop at whelping. I removed two adult dogs and one prospect from the roster last week all with correct bites. One had three seasons under her belt. It strikes me as odd that to justify breeding the undershot worker..... it has from the beginning of this thread only been compared to a dog with a corre
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If i'd ever seen evidence of undershot dogs consistently biting harder than anything else I can tell you I'd have bred a few more of em. In my mind it's an undesirable trait because MOST undershot dogs I've had couldn't stay in grip as long as dogs with a correct bite. Sure some can.... maybe even a good portion of them. But it's something I'll breed away from and even cull for MOST of the time. I've hunted some good ones though....hell I'm hunting a couple with far worse tooth problems than being undershot.
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I agree that the show types have ruined just about everything with the written standard. I gave the rediculous example to illustrate a point. All things are NEVER equal across a litter. I wouldn't choose the undershot dog for practical reasons.... but I'd be proud as hell to give it a shot if it were the best in every other way. I was just curious how many would do the opposite. I feed my own dogs..... not anyone elses. My hats off to people doing it their own way for their own reasons.
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I'm guessing that most of us would take an undershot dog that could bite like a gator, (I've had a couple that could) over a dog with a scissor bite that couldn't bust a grape. Especially if the dog did everything else it was expected on top of it. I guess what I'm getting at is... it seems that in order to justify picking the undershot dog....you have to prequalify it as gator mouth and slap an "S" on it's hypothetical chest and tie an imaginary cape around it's neck. I'm not suggesting that undershot dogs can't do the job. I've had undershot bulldogs that could hold on to hogs easily
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LOL.... You know......you may be onto something.
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I was under the impression this was purely hypothetical.. . and only wanted to take it a step further to hopefully illustrate a point and maybe learn a little.... Seems to me the answer of which dog gets the work is an easy one......It doesn't seem as easy when it comes to which to breed. I guess I'd have probably looked for a third option. IF in-fact a scissor bite isn't preferrable to a undershot or wry one from a working perspective... then we'll see that people would choose whithout regard for bite and this guy will have made the wrong decision. In either case.... I just though
