who's sweet talking anyone :11: it's not rockets science the bigger the cal the bigger the noise, we don't have an issue with the noise factor here, hundreds of thousands of deer have fallen to the hornet and .222 in nz and millions more goats have been tipped over as well the fact they can do the job in the right hands is not in question, i was trying to point out that the treble is slowly been succeeded by the .223, everywhere else it seems but in scotland, we have a good indication on cals here as we tend to shoot alot more deer in large numbers, the govt cullers started out using the stand