Park and breay stuff, depends what bitches were used. If you breed very close on certain individuals you will produce the odd red one and the odd black and tan also a lot of bronze coloured. Also several outcross bitches have been used of "unknown" breeding which could also produce reds. Sparticus was mated to a park bitch and produced some really good red stuff Pete j's dog red was bred that way I believe, good show dog and killed working also the brother to it died working in wales, very hard dog.