thanks longdog apreciate the offer but as i said seems fine now and i managed to open hes mouth easily enough in the end and saw no signs of anything. checked the other 1 too to get a better idea of what a healthy mouth looks like. n i am handling them regulary one of ems perfectly fine to handle, just the other1 i dnt know perhaps he gets too much meat so thinks im dinner, i can pick hem up easy enough thow.was just unsure about goin near hes mouth.so if being able to pick hem up means hes not savage,i obviously do handle em enough stubby.