i went for a walk round tonight and came accross the game keeper walking the oposite side of the river so i went across and spoke to him about the pheasants and he said for me just to leave them be for a couple of months and wht is left after the season i free to get but i bet my bottom dollar there gunna be some wise birds by then, he said they been out since 1st week in oct and there approx 1500 birds let out in this area and they only expect to take 800 birds so that must leave a few birds obv foxes etc to take there share but they can always be sorted out , cheers for the info lads and i h