i get what you're saying, and that's the reason why i asked. people talk about how good their parents are and they want 350 bucks, some others say the same and they want a 1000. just wanted to have an idea, no big deal. i had two for free from a supposedly famous working stud and they were both given every opportunity to prove themselves yet they both were given the dirty nap. one quit on a simple coon, the other wouldn't work if you put a bullet in the head. even if i go and see the parents theres no guarantee the pups will work out