well i,m having a bit of a mare with the hmr, lee, the groups are not what they once were, thought it was the scope so I bought a mtc viper, still the same, unless it,s the ammo, shooting off the bipod 5 shots through nearly the same hole, next mag it will be an inch wide, this is shooting on a still day aswell, needless to say the hmr has been in the cabinet for a bit now, been having some fun with the 22, but it would be nice to get the 17 up and running again