couldn't of put that in better words myself bosun,handy little knock about dogs ratting/bushing/round holes/retrieve land water.but and a big BUT when it comes to serious fox work there not the type of dogs And as the breeder of them I say it myself there not in the same league as a well worked beagle/spaniels ....but as you say the breeding was a base line for what I will be planning on in the future atb mud,ps hope rondas keeping your lurcher busy mate ??